Goonhub
03-01-2022, 09:25 AM
Thanks for that Katzen, cat ears are very sensitive. I think it was a while ago we had that conversation so its entirely possible I misremembered or misinterpreted. Either way shamecubes are rare, Ive seen them only a couple of times ever.
Anyway - think we need to clear up what the specific issues are here.
1) We have an admin openly admitting they seem to think they are above the admin guidelines - why do they even exist if thats acceptable? We have 3 'strongly discouraged' guidelines broken in a single event and unapologetically aswell. Not even a vague acknowledgement of any fault at all.
2) We have an admin that either directly lied in a complaint thread about them or somehow managed to misremember their own actions from earlier the very same day (tired and high is still not a excuse for this, its your responsibility to ensure you are mentally capable of being an effective administrator)
3) We have an admin that claims to have banned for one reason but took no action (other than a stupid gimmick entirely based round the exact thing I was banned for) until a comment about them being rude was made and then I was banned right away (this comes across as petty vindictive revenge over the comment)
I appreciate that an accusation of deception or inability to recall their own actions from the same day is an extremely serious accusation to make of a member of the admin team.
So I cleaned up my file a bit to remove the empty lines and give more accurate information.
(file minus empty lines)
Line 584 -
Stephanie Mir says, "boring and lame as shit"
Line 851 -
Keegan Owens says, "i mean sure"
Then the claim made by Zamujasa in the response above:
"you mixed up two events.
specifically, i called it lame to your face; you actually quoted this above
however, the decal text above your trap was set as this, and never changed:"
So between the two lines based on my recollection and whats in the file I went back to mechanics to get more teleporters, I put 3 more teleporters down. I went to medbay and got healed(the trap was other side of station near escape - kondaru map) plus other stuff.
What is being claimed is that:
*Zamujasa said something
*I went for a merry little jog round station doing stuff that must have taken several minutes.
*I then came back and responded to what she said? That is insane and not how conversations work.
Also theres nothing text based saying lame anywhere near the part where I 'responded' in my copy of the round - it must have come from a visual queue. I remember seeing it.
Maybe the server logs will show the admin text change, maybe they wont, I dont know, it doesnt matter. The rest what I just described in terms of my actions between the two bits of dialogue will be trivial to validate from the logs.
It should not be hard for an impartial person to confirm whether anything I said here has truth to it. If there is any truth to it then we have an incorrect version of events presented as fact. No matter the cause - outright deception or just tired/drug related memory issues - thats well below the minimum standards I personally expect from anyone let alone an admin.
If the objective here is to discourage then dont do a damn gimmick. I do not think the approach taken was at all reasonable or even effective, I will probably build a bigger better and more dangerous trap first antag mech thats not a team round that I get. Hopefully it will get more than just half the server. Ive got a whole gimmick planned around it. No I do not want any kill counter or anything 'lame' like that anywhere near it.
This entire mess has thoroughly trashed any theoretical trace of trust and respect. Especially when combined with all the hyperbolic language, the excuse of being tired and high as the very first thing said (priorities come first, the 1st priority was to persuade they were not of sound mind - a blatent attempt at minimizing agency over their actions) and the issue of inability or unwillingness to recall their own actions from the same day they happened.
Someone here is completely wrong or outright lying about the events that happened and it is not me.
Apologies for being so forceful over this mess but there is something very wrong here. None of this is about the admin team in general, nearly all of you are great and fun.
I've said my piece and given the evidence I am able to give, I appreciate these things take time to look into and discuss.
Anyway - think we need to clear up what the specific issues are here.
1) We have an admin openly admitting they seem to think they are above the admin guidelines - why do they even exist if thats acceptable? We have 3 'strongly discouraged' guidelines broken in a single event and unapologetically aswell. Not even a vague acknowledgement of any fault at all.
2) We have an admin that either directly lied in a complaint thread about them or somehow managed to misremember their own actions from earlier the very same day (tired and high is still not a excuse for this, its your responsibility to ensure you are mentally capable of being an effective administrator)
3) We have an admin that claims to have banned for one reason but took no action (other than a stupid gimmick entirely based round the exact thing I was banned for) until a comment about them being rude was made and then I was banned right away (this comes across as petty vindictive revenge over the comment)
I appreciate that an accusation of deception or inability to recall their own actions from the same day is an extremely serious accusation to make of a member of the admin team.
So I cleaned up my file a bit to remove the empty lines and give more accurate information.
(file minus empty lines)
Line 584 -
Stephanie Mir says, "boring and lame as shit"
Line 851 -
Keegan Owens says, "i mean sure"
Then the claim made by Zamujasa in the response above:
"you mixed up two events.
specifically, i called it lame to your face; you actually quoted this above
however, the decal text above your trap was set as this, and never changed:"
So between the two lines based on my recollection and whats in the file I went back to mechanics to get more teleporters, I put 3 more teleporters down. I went to medbay and got healed(the trap was other side of station near escape - kondaru map) plus other stuff.
What is being claimed is that:
*Zamujasa said something
*I went for a merry little jog round station doing stuff that must have taken several minutes.
*I then came back and responded to what she said? That is insane and not how conversations work.
Also theres nothing text based saying lame anywhere near the part where I 'responded' in my copy of the round - it must have come from a visual queue. I remember seeing it.
Maybe the server logs will show the admin text change, maybe they wont, I dont know, it doesnt matter. The rest what I just described in terms of my actions between the two bits of dialogue will be trivial to validate from the logs.
It should not be hard for an impartial person to confirm whether anything I said here has truth to it. If there is any truth to it then we have an incorrect version of events presented as fact. No matter the cause - outright deception or just tired/drug related memory issues - thats well below the minimum standards I personally expect from anyone let alone an admin.
If the objective here is to discourage then dont do a damn gimmick. I do not think the approach taken was at all reasonable or even effective, I will probably build a bigger better and more dangerous trap first antag mech thats not a team round that I get. Hopefully it will get more than just half the server. Ive got a whole gimmick planned around it. No I do not want any kill counter or anything 'lame' like that anywhere near it.
This entire mess has thoroughly trashed any theoretical trace of trust and respect. Especially when combined with all the hyperbolic language, the excuse of being tired and high as the very first thing said (priorities come first, the 1st priority was to persuade they were not of sound mind - a blatent attempt at minimizing agency over their actions) and the issue of inability or unwillingness to recall their own actions from the same day they happened.
Someone here is completely wrong or outright lying about the events that happened and it is not me.
Apologies for being so forceful over this mess but there is something very wrong here. None of this is about the admin team in general, nearly all of you are great and fun.
I've said my piece and given the evidence I am able to give, I appreciate these things take time to look into and discuss.