Goonhub
10-29-2021, 04:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2021, 04:28 AM by Caro. Edited 5 times in total.)
Hi, as I'm the banning admin, I'd like to address the feedback post aswell.
First of all, I'd like you to know that I do not assume you're acting in bad faith, and I do understand that the whole situation sparkled some negative emotions in you. But, I do feel both the ban appeal and the admin feedback posts of yours contain a fair bit of misleading information and a lot of unnecessary accusations.
I have read through the logs from the round you got banned for several times now, and, with that knowledge, I'm going to go through the ban appeal first (this one: https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=17415)
There was no law change at any point into the round.
From what I could read in the round logs, the player you accused of targeted harrasment interacted with you only once. They chairflipped at you and used the "flips off" emote (Again, once, there was no emote spam involved). There were no verbal insults involved in the speech logs at all. After that, you proceeded to chase them, bolt doors to catch them, complain about them on the radio, ask for permission to kill them, and, in the end, you ended up slashing them with a circular saw. All of it, on default AI laws.
Now, when it comes to admin conduct, there's a lot of context we take into account when dealing with ahelps. We look through player stats, notes, we read through the logs. We tend to be more lenient towards new players, as they often don't know any better, unlike the regulars.
A player you accused of harrasment and decided to attack was new. They were talked to about their conduct during the round.
When I looked into your notes though, I noticed you already have been tempbanned + warned in the past, for going out of your way and targeting another player because they inconvenienced you. This is why I decided to go for a ban, as this situation felt similar to me.
The system hasn't failed, I didn't reward anyone for trolling, the player's intention wasn't to bait you into attacking them. I did not apply a ban with zero investigation into what happened. The server rules aren't here to protect you, they're here to ensure every player can have fun in a RP friendly environment, not just you.
You broke the rules, as a player who should be familiar with them by now. You got banned for 24 hours. I don't personally think the punishment I applied was harsh at all.
First of all, I'd like you to know that I do not assume you're acting in bad faith, and I do understand that the whole situation sparkled some negative emotions in you. But, I do feel both the ban appeal and the admin feedback posts of yours contain a fair bit of misleading information and a lot of unnecessary accusations.
I have read through the logs from the round you got banned for several times now, and, with that knowledge, I'm going to go through the ban appeal first (this one: https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=17415)
(10-28-2021, 05:20 PM)tabachi Wrote: First off, the laws were changed towards the end of the round. I may have been free to act as I did, I honestly do not know. In the discord chat after the round, there was indeed a law change. This should be considered.
There was no law change at any point into the round.
(10-28-2021, 05:20 PM)tabachi Wrote: He targeted me for harassment. He stalked me every moment from there on out, assaulting me, running through any location I was at and causing trouble there, all with zero RP, spamming "flips you off" emote, not talking. the few times he did talk was to insult me.
This player seemed to target me and harass me with the intent on getting me to break my laws, and then report me.
From what I could read in the round logs, the player you accused of targeted harrasment interacted with you only once. They chairflipped at you and used the "flips off" emote (Again, once, there was no emote spam involved). There were no verbal insults involved in the speech logs at all. After that, you proceeded to chase them, bolt doors to catch them, complain about them on the radio, ask for permission to kill them, and, in the end, you ended up slashing them with a circular saw. All of it, on default AI laws.
Now, when it comes to admin conduct, there's a lot of context we take into account when dealing with ahelps. We look through player stats, notes, we read through the logs. We tend to be more lenient towards new players, as they often don't know any better, unlike the regulars.
A player you accused of harrasment and decided to attack was new. They were talked to about their conduct during the round.
When I looked into your notes though, I noticed you already have been tempbanned + warned in the past, for going out of your way and targeting another player because they inconvenienced you. This is why I decided to go for a ban, as this situation felt similar to me.
The system hasn't failed, I didn't reward anyone for trolling, the player's intention wasn't to bait you into attacking them. I did not apply a ban with zero investigation into what happened. The server rules aren't here to protect you, they're here to ensure every player can have fun in a RP friendly environment, not just you.
You broke the rules, as a player who should be familiar with them by now. You got banned for 24 hours. I don't personally think the punishment I applied was harsh at all.