Goonhub
10-06-2021, 10:56 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2021, 11:33 AM by phyvo. Edited 6 times in total.
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I'm of the view that you shouldn't blame your players for playing the game that you have created and designed. Admin moderation is part of that, but as has been stated here already admin conversations are not a great way of dealing with someone power gaming every round. I'm also of the view that Main apathy isn't *that* bad. It can be bad sometimes but that's mainly in situations where security is dead/MIA and someone with a csaber pulls it out and starts wailing on someone near a few staffies or the geneticists. The staffies will probably run, the geneticists will probably not even notice.
As far as content goes I'd like to see adventure zones be easier to get into somehow. Right now you need at least one telesci nerd for most of them. I'd like to see some of the meeeeh syndicate items get buffed like the pickpocket gun and the sponge capsules. What if we buff the mindslave cloning module again while we're at it? I'd also like to see more work put into ghost "rejoin" roles, antagonistic or otherwise.
I would say that not every event role even has to be an antag but that makes me wonder about metagrudging enforcement. A lot of other servers where you can just rejoin the game are higher RP oriented or otherwise restrict an antagonist's targets, which main doesn't do. That's currently my only hesitation when it comes to allowing ghosts to come back as borgs or a bunch of diplomats for an event or something.
As far as station rewards go it'd be nice if perhaps a good station round unlocked some special cosmetic rewards for your next round, but those kinds of incentives kinda need a group + individual benefit mixture. I'm not experienced enough with other servers to really know how the "entire station" goals that sometimes pop up actually affect things or motivate people to complete them.
edit: In regards to Urs's point about dominant strategies, I would like to note that expecting a group of volunteers to create a "balanced" form of this farty space game is, in my view, probably unreasonable. We will screw up. Professional game devs screw up. Gamers will always find a new broken strategy because that's what lets them do stuff in spite of security and "win". That's how it works in every non-coop game. The difficult part is mitigating the egregiousness of the broken stuff (so nothing is TOO nuts given the time invested) while making sure the game doesn't get stale or turn into a nerf gun fight. I don't think we should be afraid of big nerfs to things, but only if we are willing to give comparable buffs to underused things to give them their time to shine.
IMO iteration is our friend and we shouldn't be afraid of accidentally making something too strong or too weak for awhile as long as we follow up on it later.
As far as content goes I'd like to see adventure zones be easier to get into somehow. Right now you need at least one telesci nerd for most of them. I'd like to see some of the meeeeh syndicate items get buffed like the pickpocket gun and the sponge capsules. What if we buff the mindslave cloning module again while we're at it? I'd also like to see more work put into ghost "rejoin" roles, antagonistic or otherwise.
I would say that not every event role even has to be an antag but that makes me wonder about metagrudging enforcement. A lot of other servers where you can just rejoin the game are higher RP oriented or otherwise restrict an antagonist's targets, which main doesn't do. That's currently my only hesitation when it comes to allowing ghosts to come back as borgs or a bunch of diplomats for an event or something.
As far as station rewards go it'd be nice if perhaps a good station round unlocked some special cosmetic rewards for your next round, but those kinds of incentives kinda need a group + individual benefit mixture. I'm not experienced enough with other servers to really know how the "entire station" goals that sometimes pop up actually affect things or motivate people to complete them.
edit: In regards to Urs's point about dominant strategies, I would like to note that expecting a group of volunteers to create a "balanced" form of this farty space game is, in my view, probably unreasonable. We will screw up. Professional game devs screw up. Gamers will always find a new broken strategy because that's what lets them do stuff in spite of security and "win". That's how it works in every non-coop game. The difficult part is mitigating the egregiousness of the broken stuff (so nothing is TOO nuts given the time invested) while making sure the game doesn't get stale or turn into a nerf gun fight. I don't think we should be afraid of big nerfs to things, but only if we are willing to give comparable buffs to underused things to give them their time to shine.
IMO iteration is our friend and we shouldn't be afraid of accidentally making something too strong or too weak for awhile as long as we follow up on it later.