Goonhub
09-20-2021, 09:29 PM
Honestly for all the complaints about people 'powergaming' or so much as engaging with the station as a game of crew vs antags with all the paranoia and stuff that should entail I'm not surprised "Who is the server made for now?" comes up as a question.
Not in the OP's sense, I think that's silly Instant deaths that take several times longer to process they've happened than to enact are are awful. The sound synth thing is beyond silly and petty, and the whole resprite thing was telegraphed ages in advance with feedback, not that it even needed it for a graphical unification/overhaul beyond "does this not look shit?" imo.
In the sense that in general, goonstation long stopped being a game about traitors and antagonists vs the crew and more of a sandbox with a bunch of little sandboxes and pet projects scattered around in it. People haven't come to play a game, they've come to play in whichever sandbox interests them, and anyone who comes over and kicks over their sandcastle is ruining the experience and bad. This isn't even digging into the fact that a tremendous amount of those 'sandboxes' are typically off limits to you unless you happen to roll antagonist.
This is the only place too where I hear so much pushing about 'not forgetting there's another player on the other end' of things too. Like. I don't think anybody has hello??? I'm sure everyone's played a multiplayer game before. And shot people on an enemy team without a second thought if they felt bad or not at 'losing.' Unless this isn't a game with antagonists and traitors and watching your back anymore and some minecraft-esque sandbox experience.
The game used to be fun because there was a central conflict with antagonists that everyone kept in mind while doing their part for the station. (or not) that always made the place an unpredictable backdrop to the conflict that would affect how it went down. Things were most interesting when everything had gone to shit and the survivors knew they were going to have to crawl through some Dead Space-esque hellhole of a gutted station to a possible confrontation to escape.
Now all I ever see is constant complaining if someone should ever think about causing that much ruin. Because it's not fun to have someone kick over your sandcastle throw rocks into your sandbox I guess.
Fun fact: I've typed something similar to this 3 times and deleted it because "what if I'm just out of touch, I haven't played in a long time because of these feelings, let's take a look to see if they still hold up."
That round was on Oshan, had changelings and quite a number of random antagonist creatures and sleeper agents activate. Should have been a fair bit of chaos, especially for someone seeking it out right? Perhaps the most interesting thing that happened all round was me stumbling over a security officer asking for help, trying to do so, the HoS showing up to also do so, following them out toward medical because you know, lings, and then them shooting me dead on the spot. Every 'hostile' creature I saw after a cloning (about 5 total) were just hanging out chatting it up with the crew until someone inevitably got the drop on them and they were killed. The botanists mucking around growing rafflesias near escape were more dangerous to the station overall.
If I recall the game end screen, there was like, 3/4 lings to the 100+ people on the server, the late spawned creatures, a sleeper agent, and overall a whole lot of nothing for a round.
To answer the thread title, I'd say "Not anyone who wants to play it like a game." or "Mostly roleplayers now."
If there was some better, tangible overall goal for the entire crew to work toward for a given round beyond personal survival and actually required not just adequacy, but excellence across the whole station to achieve it'd probably help. If some of the most interesting parts of the game weren't locked behind having the rare chance at agency to start conflicts instead of having to hope they happen would help. Subsystems having actual interesting non-antagonistic value would help. (Is there ever a reason to not immediately get rid of the toxins part of research besides not being a meta-gaming shitheel?)
Not in the OP's sense, I think that's silly Instant deaths that take several times longer to process they've happened than to enact are are awful. The sound synth thing is beyond silly and petty, and the whole resprite thing was telegraphed ages in advance with feedback, not that it even needed it for a graphical unification/overhaul beyond "does this not look shit?" imo.
In the sense that in general, goonstation long stopped being a game about traitors and antagonists vs the crew and more of a sandbox with a bunch of little sandboxes and pet projects scattered around in it. People haven't come to play a game, they've come to play in whichever sandbox interests them, and anyone who comes over and kicks over their sandcastle is ruining the experience and bad. This isn't even digging into the fact that a tremendous amount of those 'sandboxes' are typically off limits to you unless you happen to roll antagonist.
This is the only place too where I hear so much pushing about 'not forgetting there's another player on the other end' of things too. Like. I don't think anybody has hello??? I'm sure everyone's played a multiplayer game before. And shot people on an enemy team without a second thought if they felt bad or not at 'losing.' Unless this isn't a game with antagonists and traitors and watching your back anymore and some minecraft-esque sandbox experience.
The game used to be fun because there was a central conflict with antagonists that everyone kept in mind while doing their part for the station. (or not) that always made the place an unpredictable backdrop to the conflict that would affect how it went down. Things were most interesting when everything had gone to shit and the survivors knew they were going to have to crawl through some Dead Space-esque hellhole of a gutted station to a possible confrontation to escape.
Now all I ever see is constant complaining if someone should ever think about causing that much ruin. Because it's not fun to have someone kick over your sandcastle throw rocks into your sandbox I guess.
Fun fact: I've typed something similar to this 3 times and deleted it because "what if I'm just out of touch, I haven't played in a long time because of these feelings, let's take a look to see if they still hold up."
That round was on Oshan, had changelings and quite a number of random antagonist creatures and sleeper agents activate. Should have been a fair bit of chaos, especially for someone seeking it out right? Perhaps the most interesting thing that happened all round was me stumbling over a security officer asking for help, trying to do so, the HoS showing up to also do so, following them out toward medical because you know, lings, and then them shooting me dead on the spot. Every 'hostile' creature I saw after a cloning (about 5 total) were just hanging out chatting it up with the crew until someone inevitably got the drop on them and they were killed. The botanists mucking around growing rafflesias near escape were more dangerous to the station overall.
If I recall the game end screen, there was like, 3/4 lings to the 100+ people on the server, the late spawned creatures, a sleeper agent, and overall a whole lot of nothing for a round.
To answer the thread title, I'd say "Not anyone who wants to play it like a game." or "Mostly roleplayers now."
If there was some better, tangible overall goal for the entire crew to work toward for a given round beyond personal survival and actually required not just adequacy, but excellence across the whole station to achieve it'd probably help. If some of the most interesting parts of the game weren't locked behind having the rare chance at agency to start conflicts instead of having to hope they happen would help. Subsystems having actual interesting non-antagonistic value would help. (Is there ever a reason to not immediately get rid of the toxins part of research besides not being a meta-gaming shitheel?)