Goonhub
09-20-2021, 05:11 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-20-2021, 05:17 PM by MomoBerry. Edited 1 time in total.)
Honestly, I'm not as longstanding as a lot of other people in this thread, having only been here for around a year or so, but I don't really understand a specific point you made in regards to communication with changes made to the game. If a player doesn't want to engage a topic, you could light up a runway and put a candy trail towards the forums, discord or git-hub, and they still wouldn't go. There are more ways to engage with the community with Goonstation than most games made today, usually games just have a single discord where nobody pays attention to any suggestions because they aren't looking for input. What more would you want, if I can ask?
I think a lot of people have the Changelog disabled round start because it comes up every single round naturally, there's also the links to almost everywhere above your status and chat window, and there's also a link in the actual hub to the discord... and the changelog also has direct links to the wiki and the discord. I'm not sure what else they could even do to grab your attention if you're that adamant about not investing any effort at all.
Do you want every person who codes anything for Goonstation to make detailed lists of their future projects that they brainstormed and have them posted like a Changelog as well? This is a volunteer project, nobody is getting salary to make code changes or sprites, mapping, or anything else that is made for the server. Expecting everybody to want to set a regular schedule where everybody has to adhere to deadlines or time constraints day by day without being paid, while also living their own lives, would probably just kill off 90% of the current population making features. Not to mention, most of the stuff people talk about as features are just shots in the dark, and most of the time people aren't going to immediately jump in and start coding every idea they have.
Also, and this is actually purely from my experiences trying to get friends to play and my own thoughts, but "Doesn't the fact you have such large scale player turnover signal something is rotten in the state of Denmark to begin with?" is not the features suddenly added or removed from the game, or the rising pop, or any of that. Frankly, i think it's the people who will absolutely powergame and shit on a brand new player who doesn't even fully understand the controls of the game yet and kill them in the most lame and unfun ways for the person that drives new players away. I've seen some people just completely dunk on a person and actively prolong their tedious situations because they find it fun to do it. Wasn't that one of the reasons people were talking about in the thread you referenced early in the thread as well, in regards to the hos application? New players are probably not gonna have a ton of fun when you instantly stun and cuff somebody, hellchem/magdump/crusher/etc them, and walk away without having said a single word.
Not many people are going to leave a game happy when somebody just took all autonomy away from them without warning, stone-faced murdered them without any chatting or silly situation/gimmick/story, and then tossed them aside in a ditch to rot and be dead for the entire game. Despite the classic tag of no RP required, I think most people enjoy having even tiny amounts of RP here and there, and many of the best rounds I've played in had a lot of roleplaying despite no requirements to do so. I also think that's what most new players expect when they come in, since they usually come from videos or streams showcasing the gimmicky silly stuff that happens all the time in ss13. Rambled a bit(a lot), but basically I'm saying the enjoyment of 95% of the playerbase is PROBABLY more important than the 12 people that feel as if the game is awful now. I don't think a veteran player is worth more than a new player who wants to learn the game is worth, and I think having the mindset that you're more valuable than a new player is pretty lame and that's how you're coming off to me.
Also I think saying a nerf to the taser killed security into obscurity is kind of.... excessive? Stuns are still openly the strongest method of combat in this game, and in a prepared 1v1 with a stunbaton and a csaber, I would expect the stun baton to come out on top like 8/10 times. In fact, i think we're currently plagued by antagonists stealing security gear and using it in tandem honestly. You did mention something I think is worth mentioning, which is the "trial period" stuff. I do think we could benefit from testing things out on live more, and letting the players fiddle with it and going from there, and it does happen occasionally to be fair. I remember the pizza sharpener when it was first introduced was crazy strong... but having that like two? days of silliness was actually refreshing, and then it got adjusted to not be as absurd because it was out performing most weapons.
Just my take on things, and it's not objective by any means. And nobody is innocent 24/7, and even I've been pretty unfair to newer players without taking things into consideration, which is why i had taken a 2 month break or so and came back with a fresh mindset because I had begun to get upset playing the game. Sometimes breaks are needed, but at the same time, there are sometimes you need to adjust your playstyle and change it up because you're the issue as to why you aren't having fun, not the game. Plus its free, and i've spent more hours playing this than almost any other game i've played, and i own a fair amount of games. I think expecting it to have unlimited hours while playing the same way you always do is setting yourself up for failure.
Sorry if spacing is jank, for some reason previewing was adding a metric shit-ton of spaces.
I think a lot of people have the Changelog disabled round start because it comes up every single round naturally, there's also the links to almost everywhere above your status and chat window, and there's also a link in the actual hub to the discord... and the changelog also has direct links to the wiki and the discord. I'm not sure what else they could even do to grab your attention if you're that adamant about not investing any effort at all.
Do you want every person who codes anything for Goonstation to make detailed lists of their future projects that they brainstormed and have them posted like a Changelog as well? This is a volunteer project, nobody is getting salary to make code changes or sprites, mapping, or anything else that is made for the server. Expecting everybody to want to set a regular schedule where everybody has to adhere to deadlines or time constraints day by day without being paid, while also living their own lives, would probably just kill off 90% of the current population making features. Not to mention, most of the stuff people talk about as features are just shots in the dark, and most of the time people aren't going to immediately jump in and start coding every idea they have.
Also, and this is actually purely from my experiences trying to get friends to play and my own thoughts, but "Doesn't the fact you have such large scale player turnover signal something is rotten in the state of Denmark to begin with?" is not the features suddenly added or removed from the game, or the rising pop, or any of that. Frankly, i think it's the people who will absolutely powergame and shit on a brand new player who doesn't even fully understand the controls of the game yet and kill them in the most lame and unfun ways for the person that drives new players away. I've seen some people just completely dunk on a person and actively prolong their tedious situations because they find it fun to do it. Wasn't that one of the reasons people were talking about in the thread you referenced early in the thread as well, in regards to the hos application? New players are probably not gonna have a ton of fun when you instantly stun and cuff somebody, hellchem/magdump/crusher/etc them, and walk away without having said a single word.
Not many people are going to leave a game happy when somebody just took all autonomy away from them without warning, stone-faced murdered them without any chatting or silly situation/gimmick/story, and then tossed them aside in a ditch to rot and be dead for the entire game. Despite the classic tag of no RP required, I think most people enjoy having even tiny amounts of RP here and there, and many of the best rounds I've played in had a lot of roleplaying despite no requirements to do so. I also think that's what most new players expect when they come in, since they usually come from videos or streams showcasing the gimmicky silly stuff that happens all the time in ss13. Rambled a bit(a lot), but basically I'm saying the enjoyment of 95% of the playerbase is PROBABLY more important than the 12 people that feel as if the game is awful now. I don't think a veteran player is worth more than a new player who wants to learn the game is worth, and I think having the mindset that you're more valuable than a new player is pretty lame and that's how you're coming off to me.
Also I think saying a nerf to the taser killed security into obscurity is kind of.... excessive? Stuns are still openly the strongest method of combat in this game, and in a prepared 1v1 with a stunbaton and a csaber, I would expect the stun baton to come out on top like 8/10 times. In fact, i think we're currently plagued by antagonists stealing security gear and using it in tandem honestly. You did mention something I think is worth mentioning, which is the "trial period" stuff. I do think we could benefit from testing things out on live more, and letting the players fiddle with it and going from there, and it does happen occasionally to be fair. I remember the pizza sharpener when it was first introduced was crazy strong... but having that like two? days of silliness was actually refreshing, and then it got adjusted to not be as absurd because it was out performing most weapons.
Just my take on things, and it's not objective by any means. And nobody is innocent 24/7, and even I've been pretty unfair to newer players without taking things into consideration, which is why i had taken a 2 month break or so and came back with a fresh mindset because I had begun to get upset playing the game. Sometimes breaks are needed, but at the same time, there are sometimes you need to adjust your playstyle and change it up because you're the issue as to why you aren't having fun, not the game. Plus its free, and i've spent more hours playing this than almost any other game i've played, and i own a fair amount of games. I think expecting it to have unlimited hours while playing the same way you always do is setting yourself up for failure.
Sorry if spacing is jank, for some reason previewing was adding a metric shit-ton of spaces.