Goonhub
07-03-2021, 12:50 PM
The disadvantage of clown shoes is that by wearing them you are announcing your presence nearby.
Clown is in this weird place on Goon and im not quite sure I understand it. In a world where self antagging is heavily discouraged we have a role which people are almost encouraged to use as a punching bag. My understanding is that historically clown used to be a ban-lite. Someone being a shitter? make them a clown so people abuse them for being a shitter. Fine. At some point this transitioned into a job so people could play it if they wanted to, sure, glutton for punishment or whatever.
It seems to me that Cluwne is essentially what Clown used to be, hence their grief rules regarding cluwnes not existing. Im not sure why there is still this stigma that everything a clown does needs to have a disadvantage attached. Clowns are meant to be entertaining. Its tricky to be an entertaining antag when your interactions whilst wearing your shoes have to be limited to either instant and no possible retaliation, or so light they dont even warrent the person you are clowning on chasing you. This leads to you either going in too strong, or not strong enough.
Unfortunately, the middle ground between those two is currently hindered by haha clown slip haha. If you clown someone enough to make them chase you, which should hopefuly be an engaging experience for both parties involved, you are now at the mercy of haha clown slip funny drop item and short stun. Assuming you arent in space in which case you end up on the next zlevel. Any interesting interaction you can have with another player, whilst using clown shoes, is automatically put at risk for simply wearing a piece of iconic clothing.
Or you can just take them off, be entertaining, and not have an entire gimmick screwed over by rng.
I regularly find things clowns cannot do. Sometimes they are funny, most of the time they just arent necessary. For example, theres no reason that half the time when trying to chug from a container that you instead throw it over your shoulder, spilling what is potentially hard work over the floor or splashing it on someone who happened to be stood behind you. Theres no reason a clown wearing a wrestling belt should still be in a suplex stun longer than the person they suplex. Theres no reason an antag clown with a riot baton should still have stun baton chance to stun and hit themselves. Same with duct tape and self handcuffing.
Skill and refusing to have any fun interaction limited by an RNG roll are not the same thing. I am not a robust player, regardless of perceptions of me, I just dont want to have to deal with things outside of my control if I am trying to be interesting for other players. All other forms of clown fumble can be mostly mitigated. clownstumble cannot bar by removing the shoes.
Clown is in this weird place on Goon and im not quite sure I understand it. In a world where self antagging is heavily discouraged we have a role which people are almost encouraged to use as a punching bag. My understanding is that historically clown used to be a ban-lite. Someone being a shitter? make them a clown so people abuse them for being a shitter. Fine. At some point this transitioned into a job so people could play it if they wanted to, sure, glutton for punishment or whatever.
It seems to me that Cluwne is essentially what Clown used to be, hence their grief rules regarding cluwnes not existing. Im not sure why there is still this stigma that everything a clown does needs to have a disadvantage attached. Clowns are meant to be entertaining. Its tricky to be an entertaining antag when your interactions whilst wearing your shoes have to be limited to either instant and no possible retaliation, or so light they dont even warrent the person you are clowning on chasing you. This leads to you either going in too strong, or not strong enough.
Unfortunately, the middle ground between those two is currently hindered by haha clown slip haha. If you clown someone enough to make them chase you, which should hopefuly be an engaging experience for both parties involved, you are now at the mercy of haha clown slip funny drop item and short stun. Assuming you arent in space in which case you end up on the next zlevel. Any interesting interaction you can have with another player, whilst using clown shoes, is automatically put at risk for simply wearing a piece of iconic clothing.
Or you can just take them off, be entertaining, and not have an entire gimmick screwed over by rng.
I regularly find things clowns cannot do. Sometimes they are funny, most of the time they just arent necessary. For example, theres no reason that half the time when trying to chug from a container that you instead throw it over your shoulder, spilling what is potentially hard work over the floor or splashing it on someone who happened to be stood behind you. Theres no reason a clown wearing a wrestling belt should still be in a suplex stun longer than the person they suplex. Theres no reason an antag clown with a riot baton should still have stun baton chance to stun and hit themselves. Same with duct tape and self handcuffing.
Skill and refusing to have any fun interaction limited by an RNG roll are not the same thing. I am not a robust player, regardless of perceptions of me, I just dont want to have to deal with things outside of my control if I am trying to be interesting for other players. All other forms of clown fumble can be mostly mitigated. clownstumble cannot bar by removing the shoes.