Removing Urine

[Mr. Green]

First of all, i think we should pat ourselves on the back for the fact that we are able to discuss urine in an online spes game and end up with such a fascinating read.

I also don't feel very strongly about removing urine. I do however believe, that while claiming this WILL lead to fart removal is fallacious, removing urine does set a certain precedent, which is worth considering at least.

I'll start off by saying that I personally find urine to be disgusting.

Interesting to see the different disgust rankings of bodily fluids in this thread (vomit>blood>pee for me personally). While the levels of disgust might differ, isn't pee kinda meant to be disgusting? Ofcourse people can take this too far, but like others already said, i think that's why the rules exist, and that this should be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Would removing them really cost us more players than it would gain us?

I find this a slightly scary and rather reductive way to look at this issue, or any issue for that matter.

reminder: tradition is the enemy of progress. "it's a part of goon culture" is not a valid argument.

Tradition isn't objectively bad, nor is progress objectively good (and i say that as someone who often hates tradition). I strongly believe that gooncode being constantly worked on is what keeps it fresh, and part of what makes this such an amazing game. However i do believe that certain elements of a game can be what defines a game, at least on a personal level, and possibly broader ("goon culture"). While i understand that weighing this argument too heavily can stifle progress, i don't think dismissing it outright is productive either.

Since urine seems to be mostly an issue on RP, couldn't it somehow become part of the motives system? I could imagine something along the lines of needing to pee every so often, but also having a cap on how much you can pee. Seems to me this would solve the pee flood issue, although i have no idea how hard this would be to implement.

I also like the toggle idea. Makes me think of how in Rust you are able to toggle nudity on and off. I personally don't mind the nudity, but can also see how censoring it is ideal for streamers for example. Seems to me that everyone wins in such a scenario.