Goonhub
02-19-2021, 12:45 PM
Hello. I play Ms. Licorice. I'll explain what all happened here from two perspectives. My personal perspective and how I saw things happen and my administrator's perspective.
First off is from my own player's perspective. Few minutes after round start, I see the HoS is an acquaintance, someone I've played with a lot in the past and goof around with. Get into some disarm fights with the HoS, get arrested a couple times. Couple times I push the HoS into the armory door to open it, get blasted by a shotgun, disarm and steal the shotgun. Another time I pushed him into it and stole the phasers and ate the tasty tasty donut on the table. All in good fun, mostly messing with the HoS. All in all this took place less than 30 minutes into the round and nothing was happening traitor wise. I also at some point saw your sword on the ground and stole it, as any noble assistant would do. And I found an AA card on the floor somewhere else. No involvement with the HoP. Wasn't preventing security from dealing with anything as you put it.
I don't see an issue with any of this, personally. Nobody really got hurt other than myself getting shotgunned a few times.
Now let's explain it from my perspective as an administrator. As a team we've been cracking down on people griefing security. What would I personally consider griefing the security team? Anything that involves repeatedly harassing one or multiple members of security and preventing them from dealing with other situations. There is a line between what I would consider okay heckling of security and not okay and/or griefing.
Rushing in and eating all the donuts. Okay
Stealing a pair of sechuds from an open locker. Okay
Getting in and making a phone call from security's phone placing an order for pizza telling the chef security will pay for it. Okay
Getting in disarm fights with officers. Situational. Early round when nothing is happening? Okay. When things are going to hell and security is super busy? Not okay.
Looting a secoff whether they're fighting an antagonist or afk. Not okay
Hacking all the doors open to security. Not okay
Harassing security while they're trying to deal with arrests and shoving them/preventing them from arresting someone. Not really okay, possibly situational
Stealing security's equipment, tasers, batons, etc directly from the officers. Not okay
Under those criteria the only thing I did that I would consider questionable would be taking the shotgun and phasers. Shotgun was returned when I got arrested once, phasers I sold to the first people that paid for them. None of that equipment was vital security equipment that they can't do their jobs without, such as tasers or batons. Phasers can be very easily earned off station.
If someone were to ahelp a staff assistant doing the exact things I did the harshest action I would take would be telling the staffie to either make sure they don't take it too far or knock it off if it gets out of hand. Most of the time things like this can be dealt with mid round with no admin intervention needed.
Overall all of this occurred before 30 minutes had passed into the round, most of it happened within the first 15. No traitors were actively being evil at this point, security was mostly lounging around the security office or nearby. Nothing prevented security from going about their business.
My last point to make is regarding your sword. I took your sword and hid it, telling you where to look to find it. Later in the round when things were going down I even went to retrieve it to help you. I helped you by fighting the traitor in the bridge, and I tried returning your sword later when I saw you actually needed it but you refused it, twice.
Hope this clarifies some things for you. Thanks for the feedback.
First off is from my own player's perspective. Few minutes after round start, I see the HoS is an acquaintance, someone I've played with a lot in the past and goof around with. Get into some disarm fights with the HoS, get arrested a couple times. Couple times I push the HoS into the armory door to open it, get blasted by a shotgun, disarm and steal the shotgun. Another time I pushed him into it and stole the phasers and ate the tasty tasty donut on the table. All in good fun, mostly messing with the HoS. All in all this took place less than 30 minutes into the round and nothing was happening traitor wise. I also at some point saw your sword on the ground and stole it, as any noble assistant would do. And I found an AA card on the floor somewhere else. No involvement with the HoP. Wasn't preventing security from dealing with anything as you put it.
I don't see an issue with any of this, personally. Nobody really got hurt other than myself getting shotgunned a few times.
Now let's explain it from my perspective as an administrator. As a team we've been cracking down on people griefing security. What would I personally consider griefing the security team? Anything that involves repeatedly harassing one or multiple members of security and preventing them from dealing with other situations. There is a line between what I would consider okay heckling of security and not okay and/or griefing.
Rushing in and eating all the donuts. Okay
Stealing a pair of sechuds from an open locker. Okay
Getting in and making a phone call from security's phone placing an order for pizza telling the chef security will pay for it. Okay
Getting in disarm fights with officers. Situational. Early round when nothing is happening? Okay. When things are going to hell and security is super busy? Not okay.
Looting a secoff whether they're fighting an antagonist or afk. Not okay
Hacking all the doors open to security. Not okay
Harassing security while they're trying to deal with arrests and shoving them/preventing them from arresting someone. Not really okay, possibly situational
Stealing security's equipment, tasers, batons, etc directly from the officers. Not okay
Under those criteria the only thing I did that I would consider questionable would be taking the shotgun and phasers. Shotgun was returned when I got arrested once, phasers I sold to the first people that paid for them. None of that equipment was vital security equipment that they can't do their jobs without, such as tasers or batons. Phasers can be very easily earned off station.
If someone were to ahelp a staff assistant doing the exact things I did the harshest action I would take would be telling the staffie to either make sure they don't take it too far or knock it off if it gets out of hand. Most of the time things like this can be dealt with mid round with no admin intervention needed.
Overall all of this occurred before 30 minutes had passed into the round, most of it happened within the first 15. No traitors were actively being evil at this point, security was mostly lounging around the security office or nearby. Nothing prevented security from going about their business.
My last point to make is regarding your sword. I took your sword and hid it, telling you where to look to find it. Later in the round when things were going down I even went to retrieve it to help you. I helped you by fighting the traitor in the bridge, and I tried returning your sword later when I saw you actually needed it but you refused it, twice.
Hope this clarifies some things for you. Thanks for the feedback.