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[MERGED PR] Post-Hellburn Adjustment (Gas Burn Temps & Molitz Availability)
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(02-12-2021, 10:27 AM)FallenScion Wrote: ***Molitz B does require aid from mining though, and mining tends not to want to provide Molitz unless they are feeling just super cooperative that day. They do not get rewarded in anyway for providing this to engineering as far as I see? I guess they can make money from engineering buying it from them, but they make money from selling it to anyone/the QM. If engineering could reward them better in turn (maybe routing power to the mining magnet or something) or if mining got a reward for providing Molitz B to engineering/toxins, then maybe that would help here? I don't know just it's kinda rough getting it from them unless they are just very nice or the CE hounds them about it. Think adding it to the RD's case is a great move, as it adds more routes for acquisition for everyone, though will need to see in practice what effects it has.
Does Mining really have a reward for doing anything?  Do we really get rewarded for doing anything. my mouth is opening oh no   They are under the CE so they answer to the same peeps.  Preferably it ends up in the Rockbox to be distributed as the station sees fit.

(02-12-2021, 10:27 AM)FallenScion Wrote: ***Ok thats acquisition now for what I'm more opinionated about. Use. I don't know if anyone has figured out how Molitz B functions well enough to actually get a hellburn running utilizing it. I would be SUPER interested to see if anyone has actually gotten like even GWs out of a Molitz B hellburn and how they did it. ... Maybe with more availability we will be able to test setups more.
Increased availability should allow for more experimentation.  You don't need to refine it.  Using the catalyst is going to impact the mixture of gases which is a major factor in maintaining the hotspot state.

(02-12-2021, 10:27 AM)FallenScion Wrote: At first I thought that the new changes were bad in this area. The more I play with pipeburns the more I like the hotspot changes, as pipeburns do feel far more rewarding for technical expertise in engines than hellburns do. I love changing the circ settings or letting out outlet pressure and watching the engineers around me go from "HEY WHY ENGINE NO WORK" to "HOW YOU MAKE ENGINE GO BRRRR?????!!!???". This being said, the only rewarding thing about making the engine go BRR is making the engine go BRR at the moment. The effort in fighting for the few extra MW you can squeeze out goes unrewarded at the moment. Anything over the SMES draw is for your own gratification. Admittedly, there is a certain breed like me for whom that's enough. I like engine go brrr. I can imagine it turns a lot of people away though. I know PTL adjustments are down the line, hopefully those rectify this issue. IF someone can figure out a hellburn with Molitz B, then I can speak to how engaging that is, but as far as I have seen no one has made it work. I don't know how I feel about varient TEGs. Cold varient doesn't make much sense. IMHO we don't have a great way to make a cold engine as far as I can figure out doubly, so since power gen appears to be pressure reliant.
All Ears ... ahh yes uh... sweet!  I plan on doing PTL adjustments once the community gets more dialed in as theoretically the behavior is all still there.  

Cold variant is just intended as a lower temperature burns will produce more power because the semiconductor material is more performant at those temperatures. For Science!

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(02-12-2021, 10:43 AM)Luxizzle Wrote: With all these changes coming in I'd really like to see the wiki pages get a drastic update too on how the TEG works, even better if it gets their own page instead of stuffed in between other engines. So people don't have to learn it from other people or closely watching PR's and we can get a centralized source of information.

"So people don't have to learn it from other people", I feel like that is antithetical to how I've heard the TEG has always been.  There is sufficient information to get started and everything else is a "soft secret".  I want people to talk to the CE, to talk to their engineers, and now to talk to their miners.  Do you feel like

Are you looking for a table similar to chems that shows the specific behavior of all the gas properties and chem interactions with the circulator?   Chemicals is a question of combinations N reagents, N temperatures where learning of the existence of a reaction doesn't necessarily inform you of another.  There are a handful of gases with subtle differences between them.  If there weren't the case people could end arguments conversations by just referencing the wiki.  Different people have their own preferred mixtures and I think that is fascinating.  I guess it would be interesting to know your expectation in regards to level of detail. 

Wiki:
Quote:Lubrication system: This setup does not require any special lubricant that some more advanced setups might benefit from. Still, if you're so curious, here's a general rundown: The system can be accessed by using a screwdriver on the circulator to open the access panel. The viscosity of the fluids is used to determine how efficient the gas transfer from inlet to outlet are. Additionally there are a number of chemicals that can directly impact how the circulator behaves. A drain valve can be wrenched when the panel is open to drain the current lubricant.

Are there some other basic features/concepts that are missing some form of documentation that is required to get started with the TEG? Are there features that you feel need some at least basic detail to allow people to make the transition to more complicated aspects of the TEG?


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RE: [PR] Post-Hellburn Adjustment (Gas Burn Temps & Molitz Availability) - by Azrun - 02-12-2021, 04:18 PM

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