Goonhub
01-07-2021, 07:13 PM
Gonna preface this with the following (which is my opinion and not that of the admin team):
The topic of loafers has come up a few times in admin chat over the past few weeks. Each time I bring up the same thoughts. I like the concept of loaves. They're fun. They're gimmicky. They're goofy. Very goonstation. Concept is as far as my liking of it goes. In practice it's constantly abused by non antags and constantly ends in destruction.
You have someone "experimenting" with the loafer, maybe it's their first time with it, maybe not, and then someone "accidentally" opens the loop and releases tons of high tier loaves on the station. What happens next? Some random fresh spawn is walking down the halls mere seconds after they join and gets beaned by a strangelet and dies instantly. Walls get busted out and the station is depressurized. Someone grabs a high tier loaf, not knowing what it does, and chucks it at someone. Oops, dead. People adminhelp it.
Who do we blame in the above scenario? The person who threw the loaf? Sure, give him a "hey that kills people" warning. What about the person who made the loaves? Absolutely. I have a standard talk I give to people when they first start experimenting on loaves and it inevitably ends in destruction. It involves telling them "Hey. If you make them, you're responsible for them." That usually gets the point across.
If a person spends time making bombs, and someone else uses those bombs to destroy the station and kill crew wouldn't the person who made the bombs be responsible? Yes, everyone knows this is the case and it's been the case for as long as I can remember. Loaves stand in the same place to me.
You can try to claim that adminhelps aren't a good source of player input but you're dead wrong on that. How do we know when a player is causing problems? Adminhelps. How do we know if it is a repeat thing? Adminhelps and admin notes. I can't tell you the amount of times I've had to yell at someone who was making loaves and they got released. It's not fun for anyone.
I personally would prefer to see the loafer be straight removed from the game or the max tier of loaf lowered drastically. No more thrown instakill loaves. Loafer will stand in the place it was intended to, that of a gimmick prisoner feeding system.
o no. not the completely defunct and unused patho! l o l
The topic of loafers has come up a few times in admin chat over the past few weeks. Each time I bring up the same thoughts. I like the concept of loaves. They're fun. They're gimmicky. They're goofy. Very goonstation. Concept is as far as my liking of it goes. In practice it's constantly abused by non antags and constantly ends in destruction.
You have someone "experimenting" with the loafer, maybe it's their first time with it, maybe not, and then someone "accidentally" opens the loop and releases tons of high tier loaves on the station. What happens next? Some random fresh spawn is walking down the halls mere seconds after they join and gets beaned by a strangelet and dies instantly. Walls get busted out and the station is depressurized. Someone grabs a high tier loaf, not knowing what it does, and chucks it at someone. Oops, dead. People adminhelp it.
Who do we blame in the above scenario? The person who threw the loaf? Sure, give him a "hey that kills people" warning. What about the person who made the loaves? Absolutely. I have a standard talk I give to people when they first start experimenting on loaves and it inevitably ends in destruction. It involves telling them "Hey. If you make them, you're responsible for them." That usually gets the point across.
If a person spends time making bombs, and someone else uses those bombs to destroy the station and kill crew wouldn't the person who made the bombs be responsible? Yes, everyone knows this is the case and it's been the case for as long as I can remember. Loaves stand in the same place to me.
You can try to claim that adminhelps aren't a good source of player input but you're dead wrong on that. How do we know when a player is causing problems? Adminhelps. How do we know if it is a repeat thing? Adminhelps and admin notes. I can't tell you the amount of times I've had to yell at someone who was making loaves and they got released. It's not fun for anyone.
I personally would prefer to see the loafer be straight removed from the game or the max tier of loaf lowered drastically. No more thrown instakill loaves. Loafer will stand in the place it was intended to, that of a gimmick prisoner feeding system.
(01-07-2021, 06:13 PM)moonlol Wrote: patho being completely axed from oshan
o no. not the completely defunct and unused patho! l o l