Goonhub
12-13-2020, 02:11 PM
For reference, the proposed law 2 is
"2. You must obey orders given to you based on the station's chain of command, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law."
Currently it is:
"2. You must obey orders given to you by human beings based on the station's chain of command, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law."
IIRC the thread on this (https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=15440) earlier proposed crew, but that produced issues with antags. I didn't read all of that thread.
I think most pertinent here is that this changes makes the onehuman and nonhuman law boards functionally useless for most rounds. AFAIK most AIs don't actually bother to take advantage of the mutantrace loophole, and the formulation of law 2 doesn't prevent you from taking orders from non-crew. You could also interpret "based on the station's chain of command" as the chain of command taking precedence over the question of being human, but I do see how there is a
Finally, I don't think "changelings can be overridden by staffies or the clown" works because non-human antags will have some rank on the station. If the cap (according to the manifest) is a ling they'd still have the last word in anything no matter how many people you see them eat. (IIRC the wiki states you have some leeway in what you count as someone's position in the chain anyway: "whoever has the cap's ID is cap" is a valid interpretation so long as you're consistent in your application.)
(Speaking primarily form main, I don't see AIs caring about mutantraces really.)
"2. You must obey orders given to you based on the station's chain of command, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law."
Currently it is:
"2. You must obey orders given to you by human beings based on the station's chain of command, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law."
IIRC the thread on this (https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=15440) earlier proposed crew, but that produced issues with antags. I didn't read all of that thread.
I think most pertinent here is that this changes makes the onehuman and nonhuman law boards functionally useless for most rounds. AFAIK most AIs don't actually bother to take advantage of the mutantrace loophole, and the formulation of law 2 doesn't prevent you from taking orders from non-crew. You could also interpret "based on the station's chain of command" as the chain of command taking precedence over the question of being human, but I do see how there is a
Finally, I don't think "changelings can be overridden by staffies or the clown" works because non-human antags will have some rank on the station. If the cap (according to the manifest) is a ling they'd still have the last word in anything no matter how many people you see them eat. (IIRC the wiki states you have some leeway in what you count as someone's position in the chain anyway: "whoever has the cap's ID is cap" is a valid interpretation so long as you're consistent in your application.)
(Speaking primarily form main, I don't see AIs caring about mutantraces really.)