Goonhub
10-13-2020, 06:49 PM
I don't think there's anything to be gained by rehashing Vampirate's own statements in that channel any further. Everyone, including Vampirate himself (albeit begrudgingly), agrees that what he said was bad. That doesn't completely invalidate all of the other issues that people have been bringing up.
I definitely agree that it's probably a channel that's necessary (given that prior to its establishment, such discussions simply took over #general all the time, which led to people with genuine anxiety issues being shouted down), but it could probably use more oversight. I don't think stuff that wouldn't fly in any other part of the community should be acceptable there just because it's the nature of the place.
One thing that probably needs clarification is where exactly people who want to raise issues about it can report to: whether it's because they felt like something someone said was personally offensive to them (like Sundance), or because it's a genuinely militant call for violence in a manner which could get the entire server into trouble. A good chunk of the admin team frequents the channel, and a large amount of the ones that don't take the viewpoint of 'it's The Cool Zone, if you disapprove mute it and move on', which can lead people to believe that any complaints they have about it won't be taken seriously, or will cause the admin team to turn on them. It's not an idle concern either, I've seen people go from 'hi' to banned in fairly short order back when such discussions took over #general, largely for the crime of not understanding a very specific strain of American leftist thought and also not speaking English very well.
I definitely agree that it's probably a channel that's necessary (given that prior to its establishment, such discussions simply took over #general all the time, which led to people with genuine anxiety issues being shouted down), but it could probably use more oversight. I don't think stuff that wouldn't fly in any other part of the community should be acceptable there just because it's the nature of the place.
One thing that probably needs clarification is where exactly people who want to raise issues about it can report to: whether it's because they felt like something someone said was personally offensive to them (like Sundance), or because it's a genuinely militant call for violence in a manner which could get the entire server into trouble. A good chunk of the admin team frequents the channel, and a large amount of the ones that don't take the viewpoint of 'it's The Cool Zone, if you disapprove mute it and move on', which can lead people to believe that any complaints they have about it won't be taken seriously, or will cause the admin team to turn on them. It's not an idle concern either, I've seen people go from 'hi' to banned in fairly short order back when such discussions took over #general, largely for the crime of not understanding a very specific strain of American leftist thought and also not speaking English very well.