Goonhub
10-13-2020, 12:37 PM
I've no dog in this fight and sure enough you can call me out on this if you like "Sundance, you don't even frequent Discord", to which my response would be "Then you know that i'm coming from a neutral perspective".
But from a cursory read of the #coolzone appears that it is framed from an incredibly narrow American lens, nevermind it being leftist. For the records, I'm also "left" but i'm Irish left and that just might mean something different to you, we just so happen to share the same social values... but reading through it i'm almost certain to disagree with various perspectives.
What the key issue it seems is what is deemed offensive. Again, this is taken from a narrow American lens. Out of curiosity, I typed in "Ireland" into #coolzone and one of the results was a fucking wojak meme equating American Republicanism to Irish Republicanism, the latter was wielding an Armalite AR-18, the choice gun of the IRA. Scrolling up, it really doesn't get much better.
As an Irish Republican, I found that comparison offensive and exceptionally tone deaf. That comparison is actually seen as a right wing dog-whistle here, but in fairness, how would you know? Sure enough, nobody called the person out because nobody quite understood why one would take offense to that.
On the other hand, should you make a comment that offends the masses (i.e: Within the American lens), even on the basis of ignorance, would I be correct in saying that you would be dogpiled? That's a genuine question.
Example would be the ACAB shit that keeps get thrown around, and I didn't need to look very far for this one. This again is taken from a narrow lens. Do I think the Police force in America is dysfunctional and failing in its civic duty? Yes. Do I think all cops, around the world, including the Gardaí in my country, are bastards? No.
I'm not sure the remedy for all of this. I think you need a more honest approach when it comes to moderating this chat. Being a devil's advocate isn't a bad thing if you're trying to foster discussion and if I am going to be critical of Vampirate here, there would seem to be an issue of him "not reading the room". If there's a rule of "be honest and truthful" about your opinions, that might save you all a lot of heartache. This would stop people being provocateurs and if someone has an ignorant perspective, one doesn't need to attack, but to educate in reasonable discussion.
But from a cursory read of the #coolzone appears that it is framed from an incredibly narrow American lens, nevermind it being leftist. For the records, I'm also "left" but i'm Irish left and that just might mean something different to you, we just so happen to share the same social values... but reading through it i'm almost certain to disagree with various perspectives.
What the key issue it seems is what is deemed offensive. Again, this is taken from a narrow American lens. Out of curiosity, I typed in "Ireland" into #coolzone and one of the results was a fucking wojak meme equating American Republicanism to Irish Republicanism, the latter was wielding an Armalite AR-18, the choice gun of the IRA. Scrolling up, it really doesn't get much better.
As an Irish Republican, I found that comparison offensive and exceptionally tone deaf. That comparison is actually seen as a right wing dog-whistle here, but in fairness, how would you know? Sure enough, nobody called the person out because nobody quite understood why one would take offense to that.
On the other hand, should you make a comment that offends the masses (i.e: Within the American lens), even on the basis of ignorance, would I be correct in saying that you would be dogpiled? That's a genuine question.
Example would be the ACAB shit that keeps get thrown around, and I didn't need to look very far for this one. This again is taken from a narrow lens. Do I think the Police force in America is dysfunctional and failing in its civic duty? Yes. Do I think all cops, around the world, including the Gardaí in my country, are bastards? No.
I'm not sure the remedy for all of this. I think you need a more honest approach when it comes to moderating this chat. Being a devil's advocate isn't a bad thing if you're trying to foster discussion and if I am going to be critical of Vampirate here, there would seem to be an issue of him "not reading the room". If there's a rule of "be honest and truthful" about your opinions, that might save you all a lot of heartache. This would stop people being provocateurs and if someone has an ignorant perspective, one doesn't need to attack, but to educate in reasonable discussion.