Goonhub
08-26-2020, 07:37 PM
I think sprite change would be a good compromise for those who want to keep stun baton's self-stun on harm and those who want to remove it. Helps make it less of a trap for those feeling like it's not conveyed well, and it's still around for those who find it funny, feel it's a good lesson about intents mattering, and other reasons.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it being removed either, purely on the consistency basis. Harm intent is basically the "extra murdery" option, even if it's somewhat underdeveloped. In addition the gun mechanics zjdtmkhzt described, Harm unarmed makes you do a punch or kick rather than a shove, grab, or nudge, Harm for flockdrones butchers drones and takes flockstuff apart, and surgery on the head on Harm makes you remove the whole head than just the brain. You don't like, smack yourself in face or actually stab yourself with the surgery tools or otherwise hurt yourself.
And you know, there times when you might want to break from this convention of harm being extra murdery rather than harmful to you. But stun baton, I don't quite a see a reason for it to. It's not like some alien weapon where intents are like reversed. And you know, I don't quite buy the "holding it at the electric end and smacking them with the handle" story. Why not hold it at like the middle then? And wouldn't having electrically insulative gloves stop the self-stun? If it's to punish bad Sec harmbatoning, then like Frank said, it's kinda not all that punishing nowadays. I disagree with the whole lesson about intents thing too, and it goes back to the consistency angle; to me, if I was a newbie and self-stunned attempting to harmbaton, I think I'd be more likely to think "stay away from Harm intent, it screws you over" or "why does this item's Harm intent function hurt me but not other items'" than "be careful with Harm". And that's a kinda a bad lesson because Harm on other items is usually not self-detrimental.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it being removed either, purely on the consistency basis. Harm intent is basically the "extra murdery" option, even if it's somewhat underdeveloped. In addition the gun mechanics zjdtmkhzt described, Harm unarmed makes you do a punch or kick rather than a shove, grab, or nudge, Harm for flockdrones butchers drones and takes flockstuff apart, and surgery on the head on Harm makes you remove the whole head than just the brain. You don't like, smack yourself in face or actually stab yourself with the surgery tools or otherwise hurt yourself.
And you know, there times when you might want to break from this convention of harm being extra murdery rather than harmful to you. But stun baton, I don't quite a see a reason for it to. It's not like some alien weapon where intents are like reversed. And you know, I don't quite buy the "holding it at the electric end and smacking them with the handle" story. Why not hold it at like the middle then? And wouldn't having electrically insulative gloves stop the self-stun? If it's to punish bad Sec harmbatoning, then like Frank said, it's kinda not all that punishing nowadays. I disagree with the whole lesson about intents thing too, and it goes back to the consistency angle; to me, if I was a newbie and self-stunned attempting to harmbaton, I think I'd be more likely to think "stay away from Harm intent, it screws you over" or "why does this item's Harm intent function hurt me but not other items'" than "be careful with Harm". And that's a kinda a bad lesson because Harm on other items is usually not self-detrimental.