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05-02-2020, 09:03 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-02-2020, 09:13 AM by Adhara In Space. Edited 1 time in total.
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idk if my opinion is even wanted here or anything, but i'm still gonna talk because like, not saying anything is dumb.
i think that like, i think banning politics from the goonstation is a pretty bad idea. for better or for worse, the goonstation discord isn't just a place where you only talk about space station 13, and for the most part, people talk about personal stuff there. now if you have people and they talk about personal stuff, politics are gonna come up at some point because they effect all of our lives, right? and i think that as long as people can be respectful and level headed around that, it isn't an issue. but that's also where the problem is, right? people can be really hostile and rude around politics, which sucks. but its not always a malice thing, i don't think, its just that politics can be really personal, and when someone talks about politics that directly affect you, it can feel like they're trying to be rude to you personally a lot? idk, its just that like, i think people just need reminders to be more respectful to eachother.
most of what i see going wrong with political discussions is people perceiving something as hostile (it sometimes is and it sometimes isnt) then going and replying hostile-ly themselves, which sets the tone for the rest of the discussion (or argument, usually, at this point). but reminding people to keep things cool and respectful usually helps de-escalate stuff, so i'd encourage you to do your part! a lot of the times its not just an issue with politics itself, right? its just that politics is kinda a catalyst to get people angry and arguing and being mean to eachother.
also sometimes people seem to default to "youre bad because i think your ideas are bad" instead of "i dont agree with your ideas" or even "i think your ideas are bad" (even tho the latter is still kinda meh). which sucks because that just leads straight into the first thing, where people make it a personal issue and then the discussion just gets personal and hostile and rude.
another thing is that a lot of people approach discussions (or arguments) from a winning / losing perspective, where they have to come out on top and prove that theyre right or their idea is right or even just that the other person is wrong or their idea is bad or something. which i think sucks and also kinda feeds into the discussion, because people dont want to lose, like, ever, right? and that's not a bad thing, but i think people should really stop approaching discussions or arguments like competitions and just accept that you can't always win, (like by "proving" someone wrong or by changing their mind or whatever, just like, if its not going anywhere and its because you dont want to lose or want to win or something, just disengage from the situation, it'll be a billion times more productive than staying)
so i think going forwards, if people dont want discussions to get as hostile as they more people should try to keep things in mind about
tl;dr:
politics aren't necessarily bad and don't need to be removed, it's the win/lose attitudes that people approach discussions/arguments with, how easily people start making things grody and personal in those discussions/arguments, and how since politics are usually really personal, discussions about how good/bad/necessary stuff those politics are is often treated as a personal judgement/attack.
(please let me know if i missed something, or if something i said is shitty you think, even ping me on discord, my username is @adhara#4566 and my nickname is adahararababa)
!!ALSO!!
re: above people talking about the admin complaints thread
the thread was closed / removed because discussion got really horrible and people refused to disengage or stop insulting / attacking other people and there were some breaches of privacy with people leaking dms and using them to make really uncomfortable points, and the people didnt consent to having their dms put on a public forum, and it was honestly just a big mess and it all sucked a lot and everyone was stressed and upset and people were just behaving like children and it sucked, idk, i wish all the breach of privacy stuff was removed and the thread was left closed but standing, but nothing can rly be done now.
and im gonna try to remind people here to please be nice to eachother, or at least, if you can't be nice / don't want think that you should be nice, try to be respectful to other people, they're really not your enemy here and things are just gonna get all crusty and gross. if you're thinking of writing something like "oh go eat some honey you big dumb bubs bee" just delete it and put a period instead (if youre at the end of your sentence) and if it helps you can press the period key really really hard and that period will have all yr negative brain energy in it.
i think that like, i think banning politics from the goonstation is a pretty bad idea. for better or for worse, the goonstation discord isn't just a place where you only talk about space station 13, and for the most part, people talk about personal stuff there. now if you have people and they talk about personal stuff, politics are gonna come up at some point because they effect all of our lives, right? and i think that as long as people can be respectful and level headed around that, it isn't an issue. but that's also where the problem is, right? people can be really hostile and rude around politics, which sucks. but its not always a malice thing, i don't think, its just that politics can be really personal, and when someone talks about politics that directly affect you, it can feel like they're trying to be rude to you personally a lot? idk, its just that like, i think people just need reminders to be more respectful to eachother.
most of what i see going wrong with political discussions is people perceiving something as hostile (it sometimes is and it sometimes isnt) then going and replying hostile-ly themselves, which sets the tone for the rest of the discussion (or argument, usually, at this point). but reminding people to keep things cool and respectful usually helps de-escalate stuff, so i'd encourage you to do your part! a lot of the times its not just an issue with politics itself, right? its just that politics is kinda a catalyst to get people angry and arguing and being mean to eachother.
also sometimes people seem to default to "youre bad because i think your ideas are bad" instead of "i dont agree with your ideas" or even "i think your ideas are bad" (even tho the latter is still kinda meh). which sucks because that just leads straight into the first thing, where people make it a personal issue and then the discussion just gets personal and hostile and rude.
another thing is that a lot of people approach discussions (or arguments) from a winning / losing perspective, where they have to come out on top and prove that theyre right or their idea is right or even just that the other person is wrong or their idea is bad or something. which i think sucks and also kinda feeds into the discussion, because people dont want to lose, like, ever, right? and that's not a bad thing, but i think people should really stop approaching discussions or arguments like competitions and just accept that you can't always win, (like by "proving" someone wrong or by changing their mind or whatever, just like, if its not going anywhere and its because you dont want to lose or want to win or something, just disengage from the situation, it'll be a billion times more productive than staying)
so i think going forwards, if people dont want discussions to get as hostile as they more people should try to keep things in mind about
tl;dr:
politics aren't necessarily bad and don't need to be removed, it's the win/lose attitudes that people approach discussions/arguments with, how easily people start making things grody and personal in those discussions/arguments, and how since politics are usually really personal, discussions about how good/bad/necessary stuff those politics are is often treated as a personal judgement/attack.
(please let me know if i missed something, or if something i said is shitty you think, even ping me on discord, my username is @adhara#4566 and my nickname is adahararababa)
!!ALSO!!
re: above people talking about the admin complaints thread
the thread was closed / removed because discussion got really horrible and people refused to disengage or stop insulting / attacking other people and there were some breaches of privacy with people leaking dms and using them to make really uncomfortable points, and the people didnt consent to having their dms put on a public forum, and it was honestly just a big mess and it all sucked a lot and everyone was stressed and upset and people were just behaving like children and it sucked, idk, i wish all the breach of privacy stuff was removed and the thread was left closed but standing, but nothing can rly be done now.
and im gonna try to remind people here to please be nice to eachother, or at least, if you can't be nice / don't want think that you should be nice, try to be respectful to other people, they're really not your enemy here and things are just gonna get all crusty and gross. if you're thinking of writing something like "oh go eat some honey you big dumb bubs bee" just delete it and put a period instead (if youre at the end of your sentence) and if it helps you can press the period key really really hard and that period will have all yr negative brain energy in it.