Goonhub
02-27-2020, 08:24 AM
Not a question, but I do offer you some ideas that could be forged into actual solutions:
1) Wizards in their current form are sadly obsolete and useless. The system is too slow, there are too many of you, some of you are extremely out of touch with the game and are just sitting there for no good reason. Some of you are also neutral, to the point where there is no point in having you if your votes are there to only to abstain or to never propose ideas/take a stance on matters. Demote every wizard to admin/coder. Then allow every single coder/admin who wishes to participate in big decisions by giving them a new role that allows them to see a specific channel that is used to discuss those propositions. This allows everyone a chance to participate (at least those who want to) and those who wish to stay out, can stay out. This also allows current wizards still to be part of the decision making machine, if they still want to. Topics that can be put forward by anyone are the following ones: hiring a new admin, promoting an existing admin (maybe have Primary Administrator require less positive votes then coder? I don't care about Shit Guy.), major overhaul/change to a game mechanic. (We haven't had many of these in a while, but maybe some of you remember the old days when we got new departments or overhauled them.)
Votes should last for 3-7 days as their content is something that people can wait for and don't require immediate reaction. Nobody is going to lose their mind over someone not getting hired for a few more days. The votes would also require a varying degree of majority to pass. Votes should be also something that you can recreate after a set time (that should be discussed) has passed.
2) We must acknowledge that there are situations where swift actions are required. The wizard system has displayed itself to be too slow, too ineffective and honestly extremely bad at renewing itself as time moves on. The new "wizards", that I am going to be calling "judges" because I am biased, would be people who wish to take the added stress and responsibility of monitoring admins in their behavior in admin chat, in admin helps, their general interaction with the community. There would be a rather small amount of these people (I'm thinking 4, but that is open for discussion as long as it's an uneven amount and not nearly as many wizards as we have right now) + Wire who should never rotate out, due to him being the server host. That is if he wishes to take such additional responsibility on his shoulders. These people can give out warnings. These warnings should be posted in the specific section of the admin forums (that is visible to all admins), so they can be archived and nobody can deny that they have given a warning or received one. If the situation requires it, they can also choose to revoke someone's admin rights temporarily (up to a few days or a week? Mainly thinking this would be an emergency method to fight someone abusing their admin rights.) They also have the capability to call votes on demotions and firings if enough warnings and/or a pressing enough reason has been given. These people would also be responsible for at least attempting to aid in trying to resolve internal conflicts within the admins, without having to resort to any sort of punishment. They should be considered as the HR representatives of the admins that can be openly told about issues that people have and they would attempt to resolve them. If the issue is not solved through just talking, it could be made public to the rest of the admins.
These people would have to be carefully picked through a vote, as these people need to enjoy the trust of the majority of admins that they will do their job reasonably and fairly. All changes to judges and their abilities are done through normal admin voting, so they can't give themself any additional power as their vote is equal to that of an admin in matters of promotion/hiring. But they are the only few select individuals who are able to vote on punishments and demotions.
To provide a more fair solution for everyone, anyone who receives a warning or a punishment by one of the judges is allowed to appeal it within X amount of days after the punishment has been delivered. This appeal would be handled by ADMINS, and they would get the final say in if they think the judge has acted fairly and in the good interest of the server. Admins could agree with the punishment, remove it completely or choose to vote on altering it to be less severe. There is also an option that if the judge is extremely out of line and the majority of the people agree that they have stepped out of the line, they could lose their position within the same vote if it passes.
Warnings could decay and not be in effect anymore, to promote an environment where people don't need to be constantly worried about something that they have done in the past. After all, even with player notes, we are more forgiving of things that have happened in the past and this should be extended to admins as well.
Being judge is not a permanent position and would have to be decided, what is a long enough "term" for them so we don't have to be constantly voting but yet can also expect these people not to burn themself out as the position is a heavy burden, rather than a fun job.
I'd be open to considering how much of the punishments/warnings should be told about to the players. It could be kept completely within admin circles or we could make a post where all punishments/warnings are announced in a less descriptive method. "Azungar has received a warning for banning Pubbie West unreasonably." This system would also extend into admin complaints as those would be investigated by the judges.
These are just framework suggestions that would need to be discussed across every admin who is interested in participating in the discussion.
3) The players asked for clearer communication and I think we should be striving towards that. A few months ago Fire and I had the idea of a museum of "WIP" ideas on Centcom but that never came to be due to Centcom being made off-limit, more or less. I think we should assign a person who would be willing to write a bi-weekly update post (akin to that of State of the Goonion) which would have some sneak peeks (if people want to give you those) or just random statements of how the admin team has been feeling lately or how they have been doing.
This would be a volunteer position, so we would just have to figure out who would want to volunteer for it. Flourish already runs the community contests, so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to find someone who has interested in doing such. Honestly, it could also be a player who would get access to more sensitive information.
1) Wizards in their current form are sadly obsolete and useless. The system is too slow, there are too many of you, some of you are extremely out of touch with the game and are just sitting there for no good reason. Some of you are also neutral, to the point where there is no point in having you if your votes are there to only to abstain or to never propose ideas/take a stance on matters. Demote every wizard to admin/coder. Then allow every single coder/admin who wishes to participate in big decisions by giving them a new role that allows them to see a specific channel that is used to discuss those propositions. This allows everyone a chance to participate (at least those who want to) and those who wish to stay out, can stay out. This also allows current wizards still to be part of the decision making machine, if they still want to. Topics that can be put forward by anyone are the following ones: hiring a new admin, promoting an existing admin (maybe have Primary Administrator require less positive votes then coder? I don't care about Shit Guy.), major overhaul/change to a game mechanic. (We haven't had many of these in a while, but maybe some of you remember the old days when we got new departments or overhauled them.)
Votes should last for 3-7 days as their content is something that people can wait for and don't require immediate reaction. Nobody is going to lose their mind over someone not getting hired for a few more days. The votes would also require a varying degree of majority to pass. Votes should be also something that you can recreate after a set time (that should be discussed) has passed.
2) We must acknowledge that there are situations where swift actions are required. The wizard system has displayed itself to be too slow, too ineffective and honestly extremely bad at renewing itself as time moves on. The new "wizards", that I am going to be calling "judges" because I am biased, would be people who wish to take the added stress and responsibility of monitoring admins in their behavior in admin chat, in admin helps, their general interaction with the community. There would be a rather small amount of these people (I'm thinking 4, but that is open for discussion as long as it's an uneven amount and not nearly as many wizards as we have right now) + Wire who should never rotate out, due to him being the server host. That is if he wishes to take such additional responsibility on his shoulders. These people can give out warnings. These warnings should be posted in the specific section of the admin forums (that is visible to all admins), so they can be archived and nobody can deny that they have given a warning or received one. If the situation requires it, they can also choose to revoke someone's admin rights temporarily (up to a few days or a week? Mainly thinking this would be an emergency method to fight someone abusing their admin rights.) They also have the capability to call votes on demotions and firings if enough warnings and/or a pressing enough reason has been given. These people would also be responsible for at least attempting to aid in trying to resolve internal conflicts within the admins, without having to resort to any sort of punishment. They should be considered as the HR representatives of the admins that can be openly told about issues that people have and they would attempt to resolve them. If the issue is not solved through just talking, it could be made public to the rest of the admins.
These people would have to be carefully picked through a vote, as these people need to enjoy the trust of the majority of admins that they will do their job reasonably and fairly. All changes to judges and their abilities are done through normal admin voting, so they can't give themself any additional power as their vote is equal to that of an admin in matters of promotion/hiring. But they are the only few select individuals who are able to vote on punishments and demotions.
To provide a more fair solution for everyone, anyone who receives a warning or a punishment by one of the judges is allowed to appeal it within X amount of days after the punishment has been delivered. This appeal would be handled by ADMINS, and they would get the final say in if they think the judge has acted fairly and in the good interest of the server. Admins could agree with the punishment, remove it completely or choose to vote on altering it to be less severe. There is also an option that if the judge is extremely out of line and the majority of the people agree that they have stepped out of the line, they could lose their position within the same vote if it passes.
Warnings could decay and not be in effect anymore, to promote an environment where people don't need to be constantly worried about something that they have done in the past. After all, even with player notes, we are more forgiving of things that have happened in the past and this should be extended to admins as well.
Being judge is not a permanent position and would have to be decided, what is a long enough "term" for them so we don't have to be constantly voting but yet can also expect these people not to burn themself out as the position is a heavy burden, rather than a fun job.
I'd be open to considering how much of the punishments/warnings should be told about to the players. It could be kept completely within admin circles or we could make a post where all punishments/warnings are announced in a less descriptive method. "Azungar has received a warning for banning Pubbie West unreasonably." This system would also extend into admin complaints as those would be investigated by the judges.
These are just framework suggestions that would need to be discussed across every admin who is interested in participating in the discussion.
3) The players asked for clearer communication and I think we should be striving towards that. A few months ago Fire and I had the idea of a museum of "WIP" ideas on Centcom but that never came to be due to Centcom being made off-limit, more or less. I think we should assign a person who would be willing to write a bi-weekly update post (akin to that of State of the Goonion) which would have some sneak peeks (if people want to give you those) or just random statements of how the admin team has been feeling lately or how they have been doing.
This would be a volunteer position, so we would just have to figure out who would want to volunteer for it. Flourish already runs the community contests, so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to find someone who has interested in doing such. Honestly, it could also be a player who would get access to more sensitive information.