Opinions about making combat less stun-centric

[phyvo]

instead of strangling, the third tier grab could be a two handed limb lock if you're targeting the victim's arms. trying to resist out spends stamina of the person holding you instead of being random; they let go when they run out of energy to hold you.

This makes a lot of sense and seems like it's the right direction, but I wonder how much a two handed grab would be used when cuffing your target is so important. Being unable to do anything but hold your target basically means that the grab only functions when someone else is with you. I just struggle to think of how to use this aside from spacing someone, you just can't get much done by yourself.

Of course, if you could hold someone down for a long time so that someone could hear your radio call and come assist you, that'd be different. But then it would be more useful for the crew than solo, uncoordinated antags, which might be good, but still leaves antags with only their abilities and stolen tasers/batons.