Goonhub
11-08-2019, 05:04 AM
A lot to digest there Kyle and I agree with a lot (but not all) of your points. I just sense it may not pan out as you might expect and would suggest reviewing this as gang gets more developed over time.
Particularly:
This is where we disagree the most. Being in a gang by virtue of the fact that it is a gang should be dangerous and you should watch your back, both from disgruntled civilians, salty vigilantes, gung-ho security and of course, other gangs. You need to stay together as a gang, it's in the name. You should not be given free reign to waltz over the station (on your own accord) and commit your crimes, it's really not what the mode should be about.
If you're killed by anyone - so what? I would avoid security killing them as that's really against the grain of what security should do (rather aim to mitigate the the loss of civilian life and blacklist the gangs that do this and/or damage the station).
The killing of a gang member on the other hand, by staying together in turn should give other gang members names of who to kill and in create their own blacklists or hits. This in turn would perpetuate a cycle of revenge killings which while is shitty IRL - is actually pretty neato for this mode.
Yeah I kind of clarified this in my previous paragraph, less to do with security's life being harder, and more to do with the fact this will create a knock on effect of security not being able to mitigate the damage done by gangs to your average chef who just wants to grill a sandwich.
Again, it's by the numbers. 1 stun resistant chump really aint going give much hassle here. But we're really not talking about 1 person when we're talking about gangs, are we?
Particularly:
Quote:Forcing gang members to wear their uniform puts them in danger ALL the time whenever they are not with their gang. Even if they are with their gang things can easily turn on them and they're obviously marked and easy to be killed by anyone.
This is where we disagree the most. Being in a gang by virtue of the fact that it is a gang should be dangerous and you should watch your back, both from disgruntled civilians, salty vigilantes, gung-ho security and of course, other gangs. You need to stay together as a gang, it's in the name. You should not be given free reign to waltz over the station (on your own accord) and commit your crimes, it's really not what the mode should be about.
If you're killed by anyone - so what? I would avoid security killing them as that's really against the grain of what security should do (rather aim to mitigate the the loss of civilian life and blacklist the gangs that do this and/or damage the station).
The killing of a gang member on the other hand, by staying together in turn should give other gang members names of who to kill and in create their own blacklists or hits. This in turn would perpetuate a cycle of revenge killings which while is shitty IRL - is actually pretty neato for this mode.
Quote:KikiMofo: Personally I don't see gang mode as Gangs vs Security. I see it as Gangs vs Gangs and sometimes if there is sec that round they get caught up in the middle of it.
Yeah I kind of clarified this in my previous paragraph, less to do with security's life being harder, and more to do with the fact this will create a knock on effect of security not being able to mitigate the damage done by gangs to your average chef who just wants to grill a sandwich.
Again, it's by the numbers. 1 stun resistant chump really aint going give much hassle here. But we're really not talking about 1 person when we're talking about gangs, are we?