03-29-2019, 09:20 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2019, 01:18 PM by TheMaskedMan2. Edited 2 times in total.)
(03-29-2019, 08:09 AM)KikiMofo Wrote: The point behind the neurosting is to SILENCE the person you are trying to eat. If you remove that all you will get is lings getting laser guns or other guns and just murdering people first before giving them the SUCC
I feel like people are misunderstanding me, this suggestion is very far from removing Neurotoxin, just making it less readily available. Adding a small DNA cost to Neurotoxin is not removing it, 4 dna means 2 Neuro Stings per succ. In my opinion this will only result in neurotoxin being used more strategically, instead of being risk-free. Of course, I also have opted to have suggestions to have other abilities be variable to give Lings OTHER options of stunning and silencing people.
Shambling Abomination does need stun resist at the least though. I'll agree on that.
This isn't removing Neurotoxin, this isn't making Lings unable to be stealthy, in my opinion I just feel too much of Changeling "stealth" and "gameplay" is reliant around Neurosting. Which is okay, but I want to perhaps make some other abilities faintly more reliable, while still leaving Neurotoxin useful.
(03-29-2019, 08:55 AM)Frank_Stein Wrote: I think the sting is good for incapacitating someone that could fight back, but I think if the ling had another ability that was more in line with how fiber wire works: A good ambush grab that prevents them from calling out.
I think making the tendril arm that works, since it reasonably choke someone out while preventing them from screaming out. This would also buff Shambling Abomination with powerful grabs
I think you understand what i'm getting at, and I agree. I'm also not going to claim that the exact manner in which I am going about this is the perfect manner, it's just my goal is to give Ling different options for combat'ing+silencing people. Neurotoxin I believe should be a specialty chem that you use to silence and take down strategic targets, instead of a base-line ability. Things like tentacle arms choking people out to silence them, acid spit melting headsets. Etc etc. Things like that are what I want to see. Neurotoxin is around, has a use, but lets spread the love a bit.
(03-29-2019, 03:20 AM)Berrik Wrote: Yeah these are all pretty awful ideas, especially making neurosting cost DNA and making the ling "louder" in general.
Ling is fine. Shambler needs some minor to moderate buffs (hive limbs, resistance/immunity to being pushed/disarmed, literally dis-arming people who try to disarm it, etc).
All of them are awful? Sorry to hear. My goal is not to have Changeling "Loud" like a murder bone machine. Even with these suggestions it wouldn't be very good in combat against anyone with a stun baton or a group. Though that's fair, I can admit the suggestions aren't amazing. I will agree Shambler needs some decent buffs, it already has hive limbs though that you can spam when you transform. As well I believe disarm attacks literally dis-arm people as Shambler.
(03-29-2019, 06:47 AM)Kira Wrote: I’m new and don’t understand anything so my opinion probably sucks but I like it at least, it sounds like it can still be stealthy. A few of the ideas are neat. Terrible is a bit harsh.
I only been in some ling rounds but I didnt like how for a monster all it did was sleep everyone in the hallway.
Maybe i dont understand the role but it wasnt fun or interesting compared to a man with a sword and bombs.
At least a few of these i think can be worth a shot
The goal isn't really to get rid of the fact that Lings can sleep you, just hopefully to add some variation to the way they go about things by redistributing some of the power from Neuro to some more neglected abilities.
tl;dr - I'm not trying to remove Neurotoxin, just distribute some of its power into other abilities that are never used, I think Changelings should have an option for what playstyle they want to opt for and it would lead to some variation.
EDIT
This has negative reception and I spammed way too many ideas in a single post. Going to potentially think this over more and make new smaller posts that aren't overwhelming.