Goonhub
03-27-2019, 08:15 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-28-2019, 11:05 AM by TheMaskedMan2. Edited 8 times in total.
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I thought about this some more, so in addition to the ideas the original poster had, which i'm still a fan of, and thinking more about neurotoxin, I have a few ideas in addition to the ones I had and have decided to clarify further my thoughts.
+Primary Suggestion+
-> Neurotoxin now costs DNA points. I'm thinking 4-6. Otherwise it's unchanged. This will require lings to save Neurotoxin for strategic targets, instead of just spamming it everytime its off cooldown on anyone within range. Neurotoxin will still exist, it will still be used, it should just no longer be spammed on every baldie in the hallway just for walking past them.
-> In exchange, Arm Claw (Not the tendril) is now free, this is now the Lings "Basic" self defense ability instead of sting. A claw arm+acid spit is more than enough to solo someone you lured into maintenance, but not robust enough to take on the rest of the crew, obviously. Changelings will have to be clever still. It also is a bit more engaging for the victim to actually fight someone, and gives some body horror spooks.
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+Maybe?+
-> (Not as needed, debatable.) Potentially, a way to get (Less) DNA points, but it doesn't require a full kill. With this Changeling being "Slightly" more loud, (Which is a good thing, it involves more of the crew and will force the player to change identities more, wash clothes, and generally do more things. More fun for everyone, the problem atm is ling is too stealthy and they can kill 80% of the crew before anyone even realizes there was an antag.) They may not always be able to get a full succ off, so an option could be nice.
I'm thinking an ability could be a sorta... bite, or gnaw, or chomp. "Bob Jones' face splits open into a serrated jaw and bites down on Sally Smithers neck!" A quick little ability that does damage, silences their voice so they can't use a radio for 30 seconds, and gives them 2-3 DNA. You can't harvest DNA points from the same victim more than once every 5 minutes, to prevent "Farming".
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Ideal Result: Changeling is now slightly more loud and has to be clever about it's targets and what it does, less it be caught early. Changeling is slightly more robust in single combat if it's sting is on cooldown. Peoples experience with Changeling should be less "Some dude was walking past silently stinging everyone every minute and I got perma-killed in maint" and more "Someone actually has to talk and have a slight brain, neurotoxin sting is for strategic targets, not every baldie in the hall."
The goal of Antagonists is to create a fun round, at the moment, Changelings tend to just be unknown to the round as a whole, and the people they do interact with are limited to being perma-stunned and then perma-killed. I think these changes are simple enough little tweaks, but will have a resounding effect on the feel of the gamemode as a whole. Ideally for the better.
Tl;dr - Make arm claw free, give neuro a dna cost = lings have to be slightly more clever + less salt + cool points for body horror
Edit: I should maybe make this it's own suggestion instead of hijacking this thread, but I figure it's about "Changeling Tweaks". Still agree with the original suggestion though as well, and would appreciate them.
I'm no longer hijacking this Thread and made my own. https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=11860
+Primary Suggestion+
-> Neurotoxin now costs DNA points. I'm thinking 4-6. Otherwise it's unchanged. This will require lings to save Neurotoxin for strategic targets, instead of just spamming it everytime its off cooldown on anyone within range. Neurotoxin will still exist, it will still be used, it should just no longer be spammed on every baldie in the hallway just for walking past them.
-> In exchange, Arm Claw (Not the tendril) is now free, this is now the Lings "Basic" self defense ability instead of sting. A claw arm+acid spit is more than enough to solo someone you lured into maintenance, but not robust enough to take on the rest of the crew, obviously. Changelings will have to be clever still. It also is a bit more engaging for the victim to actually fight someone, and gives some body horror spooks.
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+Maybe?+
-> (Not as needed, debatable.) Potentially, a way to get (Less) DNA points, but it doesn't require a full kill. With this Changeling being "Slightly" more loud, (Which is a good thing, it involves more of the crew and will force the player to change identities more, wash clothes, and generally do more things. More fun for everyone, the problem atm is ling is too stealthy and they can kill 80% of the crew before anyone even realizes there was an antag.) They may not always be able to get a full succ off, so an option could be nice.
I'm thinking an ability could be a sorta... bite, or gnaw, or chomp. "Bob Jones' face splits open into a serrated jaw and bites down on Sally Smithers neck!" A quick little ability that does damage, silences their voice so they can't use a radio for 30 seconds, and gives them 2-3 DNA. You can't harvest DNA points from the same victim more than once every 5 minutes, to prevent "Farming".
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Ideal Result: Changeling is now slightly more loud and has to be clever about it's targets and what it does, less it be caught early. Changeling is slightly more robust in single combat if it's sting is on cooldown. Peoples experience with Changeling should be less "Some dude was walking past silently stinging everyone every minute and I got perma-killed in maint" and more "Someone actually has to talk and have a slight brain, neurotoxin sting is for strategic targets, not every baldie in the hall."
The goal of Antagonists is to create a fun round, at the moment, Changelings tend to just be unknown to the round as a whole, and the people they do interact with are limited to being perma-stunned and then perma-killed. I think these changes are simple enough little tweaks, but will have a resounding effect on the feel of the gamemode as a whole. Ideally for the better.
Tl;dr - Make arm claw free, give neuro a dna cost = lings have to be slightly more clever + less salt + cool points for body horror
Edit: I should maybe make this it's own suggestion instead of hijacking this thread, but I figure it's about "Changeling Tweaks". Still agree with the original suggestion though as well, and would appreciate them.
I'm no longer hijacking this Thread and made my own. https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=11860