Poll: What do you think about the pulling change?
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REVERT REVERT DEATH TO THE FEATURE
25.00%
35 25.00%
Reduce the penalties across the board
7.86%
11 7.86%
Reduce the penalties for all but big stuff
15.00%
21 15.00%
Reduce penalties for just a few things
5.00%
7 5.00%
IT'S FINE AS IS JUST MAYBE SOME TWEAKS
9.29%
13 9.29%
Comedy option
37.86%
53 37.86%
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Hey hey this item is really slow to pull! Fix it!
Personally, I feel like the idea isn't completely terrible, but it runs into a number of major problems that make it seem worse than it should be:

1) even though it's intended specifically for crates and lockers and is intended specifically to incentivize other ways of moving cargo, it also affects a whole bunch of other things that aren't even compatible with half the methods of moving cargo, such as canisters, portable reclaimers, porta-flashers, and air scrubbers

2) every other method of moving cargo sucks, has sketchy availability, or both. I realize that it's unlikely it'd be possible to make them as good as full-speed dragging would be, but they're in a pretty sorry state right now
  • Belt Hell is slow, unreliable, and every delivery station on Cog2 is hidden way off the beaten path in the ass end of maintenance. there's no open, publicly visible spot on Cog2 that you can dump shit at for anyone to use (I think the belts were really good on Cog1, though!). also, it's slow enough that you can usually walk all the way across the station and sit in the destination station to wait for it
  • the MULEbot PDA controller barely works, the direct-control UI doesn't have a destination list, and it's got all sorts of stupid legacy limitations like a limited power reserve and needing to be hacked to accept non-crate items. also, it's slow, and it only delivers one crate to one destination at a time
  • most jobs don't get cargo transporters, and most departments don't have transport pads. there's no way to build more pads or even repair existing ones that get destroyed
  • the mail system stops working as soon as anything gets bombed, and it's way too impractical to repair. same goes for custom chutes
  • forklifts are nice, but there's only one or two on each map, one of which is locked away in QM, and a lot more than one or two people generally want to move things per round. also, I feel like the verbs-based controls are kinda clunky
  • cargo tractor has the same problem as the forklift, plus it's slower, more annoying to set up, and harder to access on both maps. it's not stored near anyplace that would actually want to use it
  • pods are annoying to fly, they're slow, and all but one of the pod bays are right next to a belt station anyway
3) even though people have complained about them for months, both short-range cargo shuffling and movement penalty stacking still don't really have a fix in place for them. I feel like the latter is an especially big deal because there's already a whole lot of things that negatively impact speed, including cold, injury, and protective clothing. shuffling crates in QM is bad enough, but shuffling crates in an emergency suit because someone took out half the cargo bay wall is miserably slow, especially if you took a couple dozen brute damage and haven't healed it off yet

4) if you drag a crate somewhere for someone else, you can check and see if anyone's actually there to receive it, or go ahead and leave it in a publicly visible place so anyone who ventures by can use it. The forklift and tractor are the only transport methods that allow this - for everything else, you just send it off and never hear about it again. This is part of the overall problem with QM: no one ever talks to you, so you have no idea if anyone wants anything and if you send stuff off proactively it could very well be going to an empty department. If someone wants something from cargo, they'll just go get all-access, break in, order it themselves, and to carry it they'll steal the forklift (and never return it). The only reason to move a crate is for yourself, and most of the time it's for some random gimmick stuff rather than sending work materials to the appropriate department. For example, a lot of time people want to bring crates or lockers to the Market, but on Cog2 that means sending stuff to QM and then hoping the QM doesn't just steal it or sell it.


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RE: Hey hey this item is really slow to pull! Fix it! - by Paineframe - 06-14-2017, 04:20 PM

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