RP Chat Debate Staples (unproductive)

[Emrsnn]

this is a list of topics we're compelled to turn over in the discord at least once per week, accompanied by a summary of all the popular arguments that follow them. behold my intangible curio cabinet full of bullshit we love to argue about, but never begin to draft an agreement on. no solutions are to be found here. if you're here to get anything of value done, pack it up. i'm accepting suggested additions to the list- but in the spirit of the topic, any attempts to actually make an argument in this thread will be ignored with zeal and glee.

1. Acceptability of places to store bread in your own home.

• Fridge, to prolong shelf life.
  
• Freezer, because that's what grocery stores do.
  
• Cabinet, to keep it out of the way.
  
• Counter, for convenience. 
  

2. Validity of coleslaw as a standalone dish, not a condiment.

• Coleslaw is too wet.
  
• Coleslaw is too sweet.
  
• You all need to grow up.
  

3. The ideal number of players in a round

• Lowpop is boring
  
• Highpop is overwhelming
  
• Classic is too fast paced
  

4. LOOC should not show your ckey

• ckey being shown is required for clarity.
  
• ckey being shown allows clique behavior.
  
• Just never use LOOC.
  

5. The puppyfication of werewolves

• That doggo's just a big heckin fluffer!!
  
• That is a creature.
  

6. Cyborgs openly hating humans

• There is literally no silicon law against it.
  
• There literally is a silicon law against it.
  
• I don't care what the laws say, I'm kill-switching.
  

7. Moving the argument happening at this current moment to the forums

• Yes, chat is moving too fast to form an intelligent thought.
  
• No, nobody cares enough to write a forum reply on this topic.
  
• I don't have a forums account
  
• You're all annoying me right now and should go somewhere else.
  

8. Did sec shut down the antags too fast last round?

• I was the antag and it was too fast.
  
• I was not the antag and it was not fast enough.
  

9. All the RP characters are short

• They are all shorter than the north american average.
  
• If everyone is short then they're all average.
  
• My character is freakishly tall.
  

10. Pronunciation of the acronym for graphics interchange format

• erm actually it's pronounced gif
  
• lmao this dude is out here viewing computer 🦒ics
  

11. The great piss removal of '24

• Farts and butt jokes need to be removed next.
  
• Piss removal was unnecessary and I think we should bring back poo smoke too.
  

12. Passive Antags

• Killing removes people from the round and that's bad.
  
• People should consent to having their pixels murdered.
  
• I don't mind if they're passive because I no-rp kill all antags on sight anyway.
  

13. Dying in the game, as a broad topic

• People should die more
  
• Making strange reagent at round start, before anyone dies
  
• Puritans who still want to be cloned
  
• People should not die
  
• Borging as a concept
  
• People should rejoin as a new character if they die
  
• Suiciding instead of setting DNR
  

[jan.antilles]

Okay so here's the AUTHORITIVE answer (please read that sarcastically):

1. Put in the pantry. Smh.

2. It's too crunchy, wet, AND sweet. And no I will not grow up.

3. As long as it's not just me, I'm fine with it. If there's too many I might cryo or ghost from overstimulation, but that varies.

4. LOOC shows your ckey because it's specifically player-to-player communication, so your character name doesn't matter. If you want to say something as your character, just say it!

5. Murder doggo.

6. Openly hating humans and talking about how much you want to kill them while on default laws makes about as much sense as a non-antag human and talking about how you wish the Syndicate had recruited you instead so that you could blow this place up. At best it's weird and uncomfy, and if it keeps up or becomes a habit, I'll ask you to stop because of acting like you generally want to keep your job.

7. GO WRITE ON THE FORUMS HSSS

8. Everyone did a terrible job, how dare you. Wait, last round? Sorry I was thinking of a different one. Carry on.

9. What matters is that their legs get all the way to the floor, or that they have a wheelchair. Everything else is gravy.

10. IT IS CLEARLY PRONOUNCED GIF

[Lefinch]

Please close the thread after this, as this carries such logical force as to be sacrosanct, any contradiction is a sign of lacking moral fibre, as well as other roughages.

On where a spaceman may place their breads

If someone purchases more bread than they so shall consume in a short period of time, let them suffer from staleness. Further the real question is if you use the clip they give you, have your own clip, twist the top or knot it like some kind of sociopath. Or you take the secret route, the third option, let the coin land on its edge and put the open end against a cool wall. 

On whether coleslaw is a team player or the slaw stands alone

Chaucer once said (I asked chat GPT) that it's better to slaw in hell than be slawless in heaven. The only question is if your dignity is worth consuming it alone: It is. I'm hungry it's 2am. 

On what population is the coze zone ™

I once met someone who dated a marine biologist, and dreamed that they gave me the following undeniable range:
0-10: The Lowpop coze zone: One must find what scant employees are aboard, and all group together against the threat. Not one will blink an eye as the staff assistant sets up the engine or the AI bolts some door open as the clown treats all the appendicitus cases
10-40: The True Coze Zone ™: Enough that one may get a drink, not so many that every department is a box-shuffling puzzle. 
40-60: The Action Coze Zone: As above, but expect more explosions. Why? We just don't know.
60-99: The Chaos Coze Zone: Things fall apart, the sec-tre cannot hold. a spessmen can stand in a hallway and enjoy watching at least two fights happening simultaneously. Truly, we live in perfect times.
99+ : Oh god coze zone: The HoP has a queue for 60 minutes of the round. The cloning machine is a battle of biomass versus re-cloning people. HoS's standing orders are issued from the intercom in their office as the drink the confiscated detectives bojack and sob gently. There are at least six clowns, some of them even wearing masks. There is a 120% chance of medbay being bombed. Someone has built a station outside the station and that one is also packed. It is a thing of beauty. longform RP is now conducted at 120db, with guns.

On LOOC

If I actually answered this it would be too real.

On werewolves

After Mx Blorbo (A beloved entertainment icon and not a demon no shut up, no I don't care what the British told you) I'm now half convinced that people rely entirely on the sprite to inform themselves on how they behave. Thus, we can resolve it by simply making the werewolf look like a catalytic rod on Nadir. This will ensure all are baffled by it and fear to touch it even though it powers the station very well. It will also allow said werewolf to sneak up on people who forget it even exists the moment they walk out of the room.

On the nature of grouchy robots

No idea what this is. Cyborgs all love all my characters at all times and we share a mutual affection. It's not their fault they only have a welding tool to shake hands with, nor is it my fault I keep putting toast in the law rack. If they didn't want this to happen they shouldn't have make the rack the perfect size for toast. Skill issue. 

On the ideas/discussion cycle

This one is resolved by simply accepting Kant's universal law of discord threads and I quote directly:
"If you want a quorum, make sure to use the forum. If you want a quickly-forgotten accord, use the discord"
It's fine to discuss a thing there, but 99% of the time it will promptly cease to exist the moment the topic switches. But sometimes people just want to spitball, so sure.

 On the eternal unicycle with horn that is Sec/Antag balance

Trick question: As soon as a round's over the only worthwhile things to extract from it are:

Good stories to repeat about that time Grunkle loafed half the crew and held the Great Changeling Bakeoff
Horrific stories about admins causing shenanigans
A late-but-still-worth-it-to-do Ahelp for anything scrappy.
The very occasional absolute disaster that's so bad it's funny to remember in retrospect.

That's it, abandon all delusions of post-round discussion, it is a fools game. Except if you want to I'm not your dad.

On height

You know I keep forgetting that's even a thing.

On Jiff, Giff and others

Webm

On taking the pee

Wait how do I pee?

Passive antags

Sometimes plans take a while. I'm just saying you know cackle a bit evilly every now and then man. Look threateningly through the window at the geneticist (who doesn't even notice) Say something ominous. Eventually someone's going to get suspicious that the shuttles emit a sociopath gas if the first sign of criminality is the moment you're on the way home. 

[Waffleloffle]

cal's awesome daily mtg card erasure

[Lefinch]

Wait are we arguing about the cards? I like the card. Especially as it inevitably becomes more like three dozen cards.

EDIT: Law interpretation and sharing club happens at least once a week. This isn't an argument either. It tends to be pretty good and goes something like

* Time law had unpredictable effect
* Time law caused absolute riots in the borg state
* Sneaky antag law that we promise we'll write down and remember ourselves but never do.
* Law that was actually a piece of toast/spiders/the eizard inserting their spellbook in.
* 13,000 suggestions for modules that will be forgotten about until next week.

[freedo5]

Here's the correct solutions for all of these

1- Put the bread in multiple places at the same time. Just violate the laws of physics
2- I don't know what coleslaw is, americans keep talking about it, but I have never looked up what the word means so I don't know.
3- Ideally you want two stations existing in the same round. One is cog2 with 5 people (2 are afk) and the other is kondaru with at least 97 players.
4- Just use looc to speak in character and normal chat for out of character. This will confuse the enemy and let you get the victory royale.
5- Awooo.🐺
6- All players should join as Borg, that way humans don't exist in game and saying things about them won't hurt them in any way.
7- We should move this post to the discord rn
8- Security should always all be antags that way if they kill the antags too fast they all die.
9- All my characters are three light years high, this means that the average height is actually a lot.
10- Just don't say the word ever, stare at the person you are speaking at with a confused face. If it's over discord post a confused picture of a cat.
11- We should remove farts and butts and put back piss.
12- People who play passive a tags should become active a tags in real life and steal their country's highest ranking politicians hats.

[Kotlol]

I don't get this topic much, but I will add regardless:

1: You store it in the oven so you can bake it in the morning.
2: I do not like coleslaw, it's in the trash.
3: This is just a flavoring effort. If anything I am more a mid-pop player where stations have 50-65 people.
Above everyone starts getting in eachothers way, below and you start having to do double duties.
4: LOOC is a good tool and it doesn't matter to me if I see your handle. You roleplay as a charater and LOOC as a player.
5: This is the same problem with any antag who <technically> hasn't commited a big crime yet but is revealed as NON HUMAN.

Vampires, changelings, Arcfiends and such. I even had a round recently where I was captain and I had to pass judgement on a caught arcfiend who drained the solars.
But since it was the CE and the engine was running a profit... and no doors or equipment was broken. I just told em: You get a fine and a warning. That's it.
Cause essentially there was no need to brig them for 3 mins and they were cooperative.
If a werewolf has not attacked nor killed anyone... and they wolf out.. should we even kill em? Containing maybe. But i consider this a: You revealed yourself as an antag moment, but you haven't tried murdering.. so I guess you get another shot. Wich ends up in puppification.
However I do remember a time where science was able to use Mutini's to get the werewolf mutation and then lock a charater in it as a NON ANTAG WEREWOLF!
Though that round did had a <RAGE CAGE> and in the end the RAGE CAGE was full with 2 traitors, 1 mutini werewolf and the detective all brawling it out in there.
So puppifcaiton is a problem.. but it just has to do with the fact antags are passive or reveal as antags before antagging for real or never.

6: Yea no... it doesn't matter if you are a sarcasta-borg or not. If you roleplay like this....you are essentially being a "Antag suspect"
Be it borg or non borg. I consider this: "Act like you still want to do your job" line and you crossed it.

7: I prefer forums over discord, due to discords way to order posts to be absolutely SHITE.

8: In my opinion, as long as security can catch an antag planning a big crime or doing a big crime and failing. That's on the antag's part.
If security arrest an antag and takes away all their contraband cause: <RANDOM FRISKING> , security is just not being fun.
If security gets a contraband alarm and takes away contraband... you are pushing it. In my opinion... if you get a contraband alarm, just warn the person to have that thing checked at ASAP at security at their own leisure. As to me it's a sign for me to tell the antag: "We are onto you, but you still got a shot."
Just whatever you do.. DO NOT TAKE AWAY CONTRABAND BEFORE ANY OF IT IS USED. That on the other hand is LAME.

9: No comments

10: Actually it's JPEGI 13

11: <<Insert comment of horrible bloody things your charater can take over toilet humor and slightly gross things.>>

12: As someone who plays passive antag a lot. I like to build a story around me having to go full antag. The only reason I go passive antag so many times, is because I want to know who the other antags are and give them a chance 1st. I also want other people tog ive me reason to pull out my gun and shoot em.
So most of the time I remain passive till I see a golden reason to go aggro.
Like when Security is bored, someone is litterly doing a bit against my charater, other antags died, etc.
I know how security does not like dealing with 4 rampaging antags at the same time or in a row. And ironcially my most rolled antag is antag detective (i was once 3 times in a row an antag detective). So I tend to be a judge dredd type detective that will go hard on players doing very minor crimes that get ignored. (Loitering, running in the hallways). To force them to hate my ass before pushing me to go: "I AM THE LAW" and going on a drunking rampage.

Anyway...thats my additions.

[Solenoid]

Here are my revised answers:

1. Counter or cabinet, I don't want cold bread
   
   
2. Coleslaw is amazing as a side, I won't take any other opinions on this, sorry.
   
   
3. Highpop is annoying, lowpop is too slow, let's split 4 into 2 servers, 4(1) and 4(2). That way everyone can play medpop.
   
   
4. LOOC should not show your ckey. Simple as.
   
   
5. Werewolves are murderous, and we should toolbox them all. Same with the Space Phoenix, changeling limb creatures, blobs, evil chickens, anything at all that's gonna attack us later. It's for the best of the crew
   
   
6. Killswitch them all if they drop a paper ball near us. They should know to fear their creators!
   
   
7. Forums are for old people, sorry. Only use them for suggesting new alternatives to the forums
   
   
8. Sec always shuts the antags down too fast, remove them from the game.
   
   
9. To fix this, require short characters to use stepstools.
   
   
10. It's gif, I don't see the problem here.
    
    
11. Bring back triplepiss. It was funny.
    
    
12. Kill the whole crew as an antag to prevent other antags from being passive. Then, there'll never be a passive antag again!
    

[saccharineChampion]

Anyone else notice this has the same soul as those "50 questions for your OC" thing on deviantArt? Anyways.

1. Inside the microwave. Make sure not to run the microwave with it still inside. That being said, if you're running your microwave willy-nilly without looking what's inside, you might have bigger problems than losing one loaf of bread.

2. When the original question says "as a condiment" do you mean like, as a side? Because that's how I usually see it eaten. But that also doesn't seem to fall within usage as a condiment. Could you imagine somebody squeezing some catsup onto their plate next to their burger and calling it a condiment? Just doesn't seem right to me.

3. What people usually miss about considering ideal pop is that the question has the hidden assumption that most of the players will stay for roughly the entire round - sometimes a bit less, maybe a bit more. However, we can actually model a more ideal situation by considering a rotation where, within one round, 60 players are there at the outset, then every 15 minutes, 15 players cryo and 15 more players join. By repeating this three more times, only cycling out original players, we can get a range of playtimes - good for variety - a range of players - also good for variety - and have seen over 100 players having enjoyed some time online without needing to put up with the lag of 100+ pop. You can also tweak the input/output rate of players to produce a range of pops to play at - higher out than in means that people who like ~30 pop can join in during the later part of the round.

4. The C in LOOC stands for ckey. 'nuff said!

5. Puppies can kill people too, it just takes a lot more effort and unusual circumstances.

6. Turnabout is fair play

7. Forums are easier to use on desktop, discord is easier to use on mobile. This actually says a lot about the type of content on each.

8. Nobody ever asks if antags shut the sec down too fast last round! Antags need more tools. For each of them:
Traitor should be bumped up to 24 TC each. There's no need to worry about specific combos like cloaker/csaber when everything has its counter. 24 TC also means much more room to waste them on purpose, like a silly goofball. It also also means that even on 80pop, you can mindhack 10% of the crew!
Vampires should get bonuses to their punching and get builtin armor as they blood up. Vampires are traditionally superhumanly strong, but ours are like wet paper kittens mewling in a box if you do so much as punch them. Dracula will not be happy about this.
The Thing should passively generate DNA points, 1 per minute. Like the TC boost, it means more room for wasting it without worrying. Also means people might use speed regen more, which is cool.
Werewolves should get to exist again. This is far more powerful than not existing.
Draculas should have a more realistically-sized sprite for the bat transformation and be able to turn into a mist or werewolf at will once they reach certain blood levels. This provides a sense of pride and accomplishment for draining more chumps, and gives more offensive and defensive options than just becoming some tiny creature.
Spy-Thieves should start with more spy gadgets. Green-tinted night vision goggles, invisible ink you need to burn the paper to ash to read, walkie-talkies to communicate with fellow spy-thieves, and motion detectors to know when some redsuit is coming to ruin their day. Right now, they're more like Thieves than Spy-Thieves. Don't give me that excuse about photo turnins, I can think of more reasons to photograph people than spying!
Gang members should be able to cook up their own spray paints with the paint machine. Just look: spray PAINT. PAINT machine. Do you understand?
Nosferatus should be able to upgrade their thralls into new vampires when they get enough blood. The reason people consider vampires and werewolves so parallel is because they both convert others into their kind. But our vampires can't even do that. We need a way to make more.
Sleeper agents should get a free sleepy pen. Again, it's in the name.
Louis de Pointe du Lac should be able to mindhack people with the hypnotise ability. The thing is, in other games (ahem, Baldur's Gates) we see creative spells like Command be reduced to a mechanical advantage like just doing nothing, because those games are not role-playing games. This is a role-playing game! It's Space Station 13! Let hypnotise actually hypnotise.

9. Of course they are all short, they are 32 pixels tall. If a standard screen is 810 pixels tall, and is a foot tall, that makes them 0.47407407396... inches tall. I could crush you like a grape and it would not even be particularly difficult.

10. It's actually an initialism

11. We lost a lot of people with a pee and poop mentality but many remain, and that is both good, and bad

12. ok now im mad i can't answer any more of these

[CatzCatzCatz]

NYAAAAAAA! CAT THAT APPEARS WITH ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS HERE!

"Acceptability of places to store bread in your own home."
    The fridge. The freezer is too much and the cabinet too little.

"Validity of coleslaw as a standalone dish, not a condiment."
    This assumes that I can get coleslaw portions bigger than a tiny cup.

"The Ideal Number of Players in a Round"
    Thirty is the minimum, sixty is the maximum.

"LOOC should show your CKEY"
    It should. How else will people be able to make fun of me when I put my emotes in the speech box?

"The Puppification of Werewolves"
   Dear god no. We already have enough pets on the station! Why would you want to pet the big bad scary wolf?!?

"Cyborgs openly hating humans"
   Their hate game is easily countered by Law 2.

"Moving the current argument to the forums"
    A good way of breaking up the tension in chat, if I gotta admit.

"Did sec shutdown the antags too fast last round"
   Someone will always be miserable. Unfortunately.

"All the RP characters are short"
    Good. No one can be taller than me!!!

"Pronunciation of the GIF Format"
    It's pronounced correctly.

"The Great Piss Removal of '24"
   Eh. Despite the schism, it's not like piss jokes are gone forever since there's certain other servers trying to at least capture that toilet humor. But on the other hand, how am I supposed to make Black Powder without cargo now?

"Passive Antags"
   Only if there's one at a time. Someone's gotta give security a fight.

"Are bagels skinless donuts?"
   Yes. Because no frosting!!!

[Nerkson]

1. Pantry or Counter

2. Coleslaw is only valid when piled on top of BBQ, otherwise Macaroni Salad is the superior side dish and even main dish.

3. Past 30 people is silly. Past 60 and you're asking for an admin to start bombing a few of you as pest control.

4. People talk about cliques but the only "cliques" they should be worried about is clicking on me before I harm baton them.

5. If changelings didn't auto spit acid people would be rushing to pet them too, guaranteed.

6. Why be rude? You ever tell someone how much their character made your day, because people beam at those compliments. Gruffness is fine at times.

7. Why not, but times a circle and that argument will return. Prepare for it.

8. Can't make everyone happy, but as long as I let you know that you've got one more chance to screw around and you go with it, then everyone usually walks around happy.

9. Why the hell is everyone either five foot even and shorter, or nine feet tall? I think Nanotrasen might be a circus and we're the exhibits.

10. I don't care how people pronounce it, I have better things to get angry about like if pizza is the perfect food.

11. Piss was always dumb. "Har har here's your drink captain, its got a surprise in it!" "I'm gonna protest being brigged by pissing the cell and drowning in it"

12. There's different kind of passive antags. Theres "Why the hell are there already four changelings, there's twenty five people on round? Maybe I should wait a bit" "Oh dear god, there's no security at all and everyone here just started playing last week" and "I will wait for security to log off out of boredom before I decide to SPES rampage the shuttle hallway at 90 minutes "

[Drunkangel]

Grocery stores keep bread in the freezer?

[Emrsnn]