Automatic word filters

[Outie]

Idea spawned from reading this thread: https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=23470

I've seen it in games before, where if you say a certain word the game's text chat automatically filters out, usually to something funny. Given Goon's strict rules on slurs and other vocabulary, why not just do something like this vs. banning people who aren't aware of the rules?

At the risk of peanut-gallerying I think the guy in the thread was pretty apologetic about it and in my opinion it seemed like a very harsh ban.

[Waffleloffle]

the game tells you to read the rules like 3 separate times before you even join a round. not really sure what this would solve other than making it harder to ahelp people who prove they haven't followed those instructions

[Lefinch]

Without knowing exactly how often admins are dealing with rule 4 or general language violations but a GENERAL, VAGUE AND POSSIBLY WRONG SO DON'T TAKE AS GOSPEL observation can be made that:

- Most people can enjoy and play the game without needing a filter to clean up for them.
- Those who can't to the point where they'd need a filter system to not be banned might also find that they just genuinely did not fit the community as it is.

Filters are funny, but they're also funny: Building a system that produces results for what is otherwise rule-breaking behaviour I would suspect encourages people to then test the fences to find:

- Other fun filters
Or more likely
- Words that are not filtered, or ways to say words that aren't filtered.

In essence, you create a game out of rulebreaking. That seems like an idea that we might come to regret.
Lastly, I can't see bans or ban appeals, but I can see admin feedback and even there it's pretty apparent that a not-insignificant amount of people leaving "feedback" at least are struggling to comprehend the very, very clear and direct rules about language. Raising that bar even in jest seems like more work.

But I say this all when I don't really know how often this comes up. Maybe it's actually not a huge issue.

[Kotlol]

I do NOT want filters on this game for so many reasons I won't name them. But it comes down to.... one simple reason (I know goon won't filter this word, but I still want to point it out)

Assassin. It has the word Ass in it twice... in a lot of bad filtering systems. Ass is filtered out REGARDLESS of how it's used... even if the game ITSELF has the word ASSASSIN in it.. So we get ******in.
Or with funny word filters: Bobbabobbain.

I am fine with TOGGLABLE filters though. Then you decide yourself to hear terrible words.
But... personally...
No filter > Toggleable Filter > Forced Funny Filter > **** filter

In this case a lot of the slurs won't "harm" the language, but I think it would start a whack a mole hunt on finding ways to say the word in different languages.... or somehow go around the filter.

A classic is turning the word "Fuck" into "1=u)k" It's not elegant but it goes on.
And when we restrict the same words in different languages.. that's when saying something scientific like "Potassium" turns into "****as****" for example.

[Frank_Stein]

Clown disbelief should filter the word "clown"

[Lefinch]

Clown disbelief should filter the word "clown"

Okay, 

Okay hear me out.

We do it for this. Just this. Only this.
Edit: also yes, the Scunthorpe problem Kotlol mention above is still very much a thing even modern attempts to filter language produce. This does not include certain PLACES that proactively like to filter what their CITIZENS OF NO PARTICULAR COUNTRY say on their COUNTRY-FIREWALLED internet, and it just doesn't work because it turns out people use euphemisms. Very clever ones sometimes.

This is a cool social phenomenon, but it's not going to be good for this.

[Kotlol]

Edit: also yes, the Scunthorpe problem Kotlol mention above is still very much a thing even modern attempts to filter language produce. This does not include certain PLACES that proactively like to filter what their CITIZENS OF NO PARTICULAR COUNTRY say on their COUNTRY-FIREWALLED internet, and it just doesn't work because it turns out people use euphemisms. Very clever ones sometimes.

This is a cool social phenomenon, but it's not going to be good for this.

It's how SLURS came to be to begin with. We invented slurs cause we weren't allowed to say "THIS WORD" so we changed it to "THAT WORD"

It's how we got a "bundle of sticks" for example. (I am not saying the actual word)

As for the clown disbelief...YES Cause it's FUNNY.
Infact Bovine Folk can't say COW.. they filter it to HUMAN and we accept it. 

So I see no problem with this trait. It fits Goonstation to a T.

[KikiMofo]

No point.
Also word filters just lead to the Dark Souls name problem where it filters Knight into K***ht. Very silly.

[Mouse]

As I said the last time this came up, this is a game where you can force feed someone their own intestines.  If foul language is the line for you then you may wish to take a step back and think about your priorities.

That said, a "PG Ear Canal" mutation that filters "fuck", "shit", and "ass" into BLEEP, BEEP, HONK, FART, or best of all, a random assortment of skulls, bombs, explosions, knives, storms, tornadoes, etc. a la newspaper comics might be funny and is in line with the general feel of the game.

[Silent Majority]

Foul language is not the issue. Hate speech and gendered slurs are.

Creating an enviroment where people can use hate speech but have it filtered means we can get to interact more with people who use hate speech.

Accidents can happen. But an accident is an accident. A patern is a thing for punishment, correction, or reflection.

I don't think not following the rules becsuse you didnt read them or you think theres no witness isn't even a cause let alone an exacuse.

If something offends anyone its reason enough to stop doing it. Even if i didn't know it was offensive before or has become so now thats moment i stop using the word. If someone tells me x is a slur my opinion becomes 'x is a slur".

That is sufficient for me.

A selective filter from mutation to speech or hearing however, would be funny.

Like make it so Chaplin training changes cuss words into old fashioned wholesome things.

"OH BEANS!!! Sec!!! A DANG OL vampire is SENDING ME TO THE NEXT DIMENSION! Get off your PATOOTIES and save me, AW HAMBURGERS!"

[Lefinch]

Frontal Gyrus-BWL/NF (Bowdlerised/Ned Flanders)

But please don't make another bloody Frontal Gyrus mutation I beg you.

[RSOD]

we need more frontal gyrus alterations, think of the possibilities with this.. ("dude, what the fuck are you doing" > "Sire, i inquire to thee as to what action thine are attempting to perflorm.")
(this WILL be to spite those against frontal gyrus alterations)
but yeah i feel like we've already proven a point, a filter would just be bad in general if forced

[jan.antilles]

Given Goon's strict rules on slurs and other vocabulary, why not just do something like this vs. banning people who aren't aware of the rules?

People who don't bother reading the language rules generally don't bother reading the other rules either. I'm not going to build railing in order to make it easier for them to disrespect our space by not even bothering to read the guidelines for being here.

At the risk of peanut-gallerying I think the guy in the thread was pretty apologetic about it and in my opinion it seemed like a very harsh ban.

A 24-hour temp ban for having to be warned not to use slurs for the third time is not harsh.