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40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - Sergeant_Crunch - 10-08-2014
This is a pretty simple idea to put in some new types of 40mm shells to give the riot launcher a few more roles that aren't handled better by other items. THC shells to hotbox the escape shuttle is the most obvious and important idea, but you could do some actually useful things with it as well. Perhaps firefighting shells to deal with large scale fire emergencies, Styptic/silver sulf shells for mass healing during disasters, cleaning shells for wiping up large messes. It wouldn't be too hard to differentiate between the shells fired if you just give them each a different color. It would be an extremely versatile idea that would make the riot launcher an actual useful tool for emergency situations rather than an occasional sec gimmick weapon, plus it would let you flood the escape shuttle with weed.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - Amuys - 10-08-2014
I don't see anything wrong with this. Although it might end up like non-traitor chem grenades.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - Sergeant_Crunch - 10-08-2014
Yeah, I could see it being majorly abused if there was some kind of beaker shell, which is why I would suggest not having them be customizable and just have preloaded shells available, mostly in sec for firefighting/healing/cleaning/actually useful shells, maybe have the THC shells available from a debris field merchant so it doesn't happen every single round and lose it's novelty.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - DyssalC - 10-08-2014
Maybe make it a vending machine in sec or something, and when hacked it dispenses some nastier things, like itching powder smoke smoke shells, cryo smoke shells, and some other things.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - Sergeant_Crunch - 10-08-2014
A vending machine would actually be a really good solution for where to store them all, plus it would justify having the sillier grenades by having to hack the machine to get them. Itching powder shells is also an idea I like.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - TheOnlyRyan - 10-08-2014
Clowns very own laughing gas grenades?
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - TDHooligan - 10-08-2014
Perhaps make them like timer/igniter assemblies that set the temperature for the mix REALLY high?
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - atomic1fire - 10-08-2014
since kuru shells would be an awful idea, why not just make space drug grenades a hackable thing.
They make you laugh, high, and they don't do any long term harm.
That would be a clown gag that most people wouldn't hate most of the time.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - DyssalC - 10-08-2014
atomic1fire Wrote:since kuru shells would be an awful idea, why not just make space drug grenades a hackable thing.Even better, space drugs and THC smoke shells.
They make you laugh, high, and they don't do any long term harm.
That would be a clown gag that most people wouldn't hate most of the time.
Re: 40mm THC/Custom Shells for the Riot Launcher - Sergeant_Crunch - 10-08-2014
I really think being able to custom load your shells would be abused every round until it got patched out. I think the best implementation would be a 40mm vending machine that dispenses things like smoke, heal, and firefighting rounds, which can also be hacked to dispense rounds like THC and space cleaner. Maybe have the machine where the launchers are right now and have it dispense them. This would get the riot launcher a good bit of use, but wouldn't viewed as an insanely overpowered hellsmoke launcher.
Net/Bola Rounds for the Riot Launcher - Sam Guivene - 10-15-2014
I was thinking the other day about how when it comes to available weaponry for security, the majority are either stun weapons (counterable by heavy drug use and/or super powers), are lethal, or are some hybrid of both (I.E. shotguns), with this in mind, I was thinking why not get another type of ammunition for the riot launcher, a relatively one trick weapon as is (useful for breaking a chain of combat and applying minor damage but not for much else).
So from this idea, what if we had a net or bola round for the riot launcher that had 1 ammunition charge (as with smoke rounds) but upon hitting a target, would slow them significantly, much like if someone is heavily injured. This would allow for a scenario like a 2v1 or greater to be changed more so in the favor of the gun wielder as now one of the two combatants is heavily slowed, although still a threat if armed with laser weaponry. It should take roughly 60-90 seconds to untangle yourself with resist, or a moment or two (much like handcuffs) for someone else to assist you, meaning if you have enough numbers this strategy is useless and the guy firing will get stabbed to death anyway. This would add another potential strategy to the pvp robustness meta that is SS13, making it so that there are more diverse possibilities for combat, and not really giving anyone an especially massive benefit, as this weapon cannot down someone on its own and certainly does not remove them from the fight fully.
So what do you guys think?
40mm launcher/ammo improvements - rulib - 10-15-2014
I was thinking that the 40mm ammo type used in the riot launcher needs some expansion:
First, I suggest 40mm riot control rounds in the armory to tear gas groups of people, maybe some 40mm EMP to down rogue borgs, etc.
Second, I suggest 40mm metal foam rounds and maybe a metal foam round version of the arty pod for patching breaches.
Third, I suggest a 6-shot 40mm launcher be placed in the armory along these lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkor_MGL
Fourth, I suggest a traitor box with this launcher + a random ammo from a list including HE, Sarin, mustard gas (slow damage over time then a delayed burst of damage like a flashy amanitin.
Fifth maybe add a 40mm grenade-making kit and launcher, either 6-shot or 1-shot as a chem traitor option instead of hand grenades.
If I had to pick my favorite two would be the metal foam arty pod and giving a single 6-shot sarin or HE launcher to the syndicates in nuke.
Re: 40mm launcher/ammo improvements - DyssalC - 10-15-2014
I'm going to put these here because these have become fairly frequent recently.
http://forum.ss13.co/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3735
http://forum.ss13.co/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3673
Two other 40mm grenade suggestion threads.
Re: Net/Bola Rounds for the Riot Launcher - DyssalC - 10-15-2014
I'm going to put these here because these have become fairly frequent recently.
http://forum.ss13.co/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3736&p=41522#p41522
http://forum.ss13.co/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3673
Two other 40mm grenade suggestion threads.
Re: 40mm launcher/ammo improvements - Cogwerks - 10-15-2014
Threads are now merged. I like the idea of the vending machine for it. I intended to have the 40mm launcher be a multipurpose utility launcher for AOE stuff - it wouldn't be too awful to give them to more departments as an AOE thing, maybe replacing or augmenting the utility grenades. Using the utility launcher for meaner things would require theft and trespassing, so engineers wouldn't be able to easily start with crowd-control stuff.
Yes:
Firefighting shell
Cleaning shell
Metalfoam shell
Hacked goofy harmless shells
Maybe:
Net shell
Mustard gas shell in surplus crates or something
No:
6-barreled launchers
custom loads (for now at least)