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HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - SomeOlFellow - 04-18-2025 Characters: Ishmael Belmont, Athena Europa, HZ-931 Kingfisher, Anna Wager BYOND Username: SomeOlFellow Discord username (if you are on our discord): SomeOlFellow Recommended by (if applicable): Goon servers you play: Both RP servers Reason for application: I am looking to be a Head of Security to help train officers, gain more experience in a new role, and be able to help struggling security teams. I also feel it’d open up new opportunities for me in roleplay and teach me things I couldn’t learn as a regular secoff. Security experience (300-word minimum): I play almost exclusively security, with some command play here and there as Athena, who often helps security if a HoS isn’t present. I have always found security to be the most enjoyable department to work in, as it allows me to engage with antags in a way that no other job can, except perhaps the captain. I’ve won plenty of fights and lost just as many, learning the best I can whenever I can. As a secoff, I try to be a bit of an anchor. Trying to keep radio chatter going, making sure an officer is alright if they aren’t responding on the radio, and following hunches if we lack evidence to set us on the right track. Being reliable is what I aim for: someone you can look to for solid advice, someone who will back you up if you call for them, and someone who will try to help things escalate at a reasonable pace, taking things slow and rationally early round while becoming more aggressive and distrustful later on. Although I always take it on a case-by-case basis, if someone seems like a new antag, I’ll generally point this out subtly to the team and suggest we be a bit easier on them, and ask in OOC if they’re confused on anything and assure them that the first arrest isn’t an immediate execution. I’ve taught a fair number of people not only the department's fundamentals, such as secmate and how the barrier works, but also various combat tips, including how to flip someone over or block a grab to help them survive against some of the challenges we may face. Many of these skills took me a long time to learn, so teaching how blocking works and some hotkeys, such as C, V, and Z, is something I enjoy doing. People appreciate it, as it makes the game much easier to play. I’d also add that I’ve fought every threat a station can face besides a werewolf and a flock mind, but as I play exclusively on RP, I don’t think this is a big concern. I also gained a decent amount of experience as an antag and know how they work, allowing me to adjust my approach to them accordingly. Answer two or more of the following:
What is a security gimmick you’ve wanted to run? I think it’d be fun to have everyone go undercover. Wear the clothes of other jobs, fake IDs, all that stuff to catch antagonists off-guard and confuse the crew. This is bound to backfire spectacularly, but it’d be fun to play out and see what happens. RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - Lefinch - 04-23-2025 Heya, you asked for some feedback. Please bear in mind I'm not a security player regularly, it's just my personal feedback and others or you might disagree with good cause on it. Also bear in mind due the fact I just happened to catch you quite a bit recently to watch and one particular shift has a lot of good case-example stuff this might be a little long. Believe me, I've cut it down but I'll summarise at the end for anyone not interested in reading and just wants a "I think this person would be good, or bad and what key things there are to support that." One area this feedback does not cover is training: I didn't see any, however, I did not actually see any opportunities. I -have- seen you train assistants in the past prior to your application and it looked good to me. It's important as a part of being HoS, I think you can do it, but I wanted to quickly cover it here and say it didn't actually come up, so it might be good for others to get a bit of training in if you can to demonstrate. Or you might be already and I just missed it. So, I had the chance to watch a few non-security rounds and a couple of security rounds I've condensed into this first section of fairly generalised feedback. I've made it as brief as possible but I think there's some useful things in here for your application and the admins, to avoid being redundant although some of these apply for the second section I won't repeat them there, but please assume it applies in general throughout unless I specify something specific:
Section two covers a single shift, but it's got a lot of stuff in that will hopefully be useful that happened however long it takes me to write this ago involving a changeling shift in which there was a fine art display, the HoS got eaten and so on so you know which one I mean. One specific note: This was a challenging shift for security. This is not a mitigating factor statement though, this is more something I'd say to bear in mind if you want to be a HoS, that sometimes it's going to be like this with the added caveat that a sometimes unfair amount of responsibility for the challenge will be squarely on your shoulders.
It was early in the round, there was already plenty of chances for the changelings to now be caught eating the HoS, but you backed off from it. I'm saying here if it wasn't intentional, I think this would actually be fairly good intentional behaviour for giving an antag breathing space to do their thing. That's a Really hard thing to do in the moment when your job role is also to actually stop antagonists but a very important HoS quality. So if you meant to do this and I think you did: Well done, genuinely.
There's honestly quite a bit more I'm not covering here because this is far too long as it is but this feels like it fills out a good general theme of what you're doing. So I'm going to move on to summary. Summary for anyone who doesn't want to read all that: From what I saw, you know what you're doing officer wise. I didn't see any training during this period but I've seen it before and it was alright. I think you can delegate, and self-delegate quite well and I like your general RP style and think it might go well as a HoS, and that I saw multiple good examples of your understanding to give antags breathing space. My critiques were to be very keenly aware of not falling for the trap of obtaining tools so security gets to win and heed as a priority, and that to be aware that it's going to be a stressful time on some shifts so make sure you can consistently keep the cooler head I've seen you have. Given all that, I'd honestly say a good +1. Hope this is useful and apologise for the length of it. RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - Pixie - 04-26-2025 Ishmael keeps good and regular communication, has a strong sense of what to do to keep the round balanced for both Security and antagonists and can stay calm when things don’t go their way during a round. Whilst I can’t recall seeing Ishmael training, I have seen Ishmael occassionally give brief advice for new security members and not put too much pressure on them during action. This is good enough for me and shows leniency and support for new players. +1 from me! RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - Drakios - 05-01-2025 Ishmael is an officer I often had to work with together and they were always reliable, they are good at communicating, I saw them giving orders even when an HoS is there which is very helpful, they keep a calm head from what Ive seen and their Rp is very good. In general they are a player I enjoy to see in sec. The only thing slightly negative I can say is about the application itself at least for me it felt a lot like they were talking about how to use skills and stuff so basically how robust they can be, not that being robust or talking about that is a negative thing but I just would've liked to see more in the experience which is not focused a lot about fighting. But yeah thats just a very small negative point and its more of a personal opinion and I could be wrong about it or the only person who felt like that. Otherwise I think they would do good as an HoS I wouldn't be concerned of them being one so I would give a +1 RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - BurgerWithButter - 05-17-2025 To start, Ishmael is great at security. Her comms and awareness are good and general "booksmarts" are great (if that makes sense). They're good in both chaos and calm.I can always trust them to act right as an officer. When interacting with the rounds antagonists Ishmael is amazing. Playing along with whatever silly gimmick an antagonist presents, giving them the breathing room to have fun and do evil without being overly lenient. Outside of rounds, SomeOlFellow keeps things light, not getting heated because John Syndicate dumpstered them in a 1v1. A great quality for a HOS who I feel ends the round in a body bag more often then the average security nerd. On the topic of interaction, a good quality I noticed is crew interaction. Its easy to focus in on catching the bad guy. Shoving aside the mail courier and barreling past a hotdog stand to hunt down the bad guy. Though Ish takes time to stop, talk with the crew and make friends during a round while also doing security work. As much as I'd love to sing more in depth praise for this application like others have, words are escaping me so ill simply say : Ishmael has shown they are an amazing officer and they'll make for a great HOS. I'm confident in their abilities and overall character. +1 RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - Shiiba - 05-20-2025 A while ago I experienced a round where I was being treated fairly poorly by security (as a member of command) because I was begging officers to stop opening an area that had been breached as the only engineers were dying in medical. In response to my requests, security, including the HoS, resorted to calling me an asshole, a jerk, etc. I mentioned this experience in the gooncord where you spoke on it; "Yeah security can be hard to deal with when they're lacking any secmains..." You were one of the people who was partaking in this, in fact, everyone involved in that WAS a secmain, that interaction left a pretty sour taste in my mouth and I haven't played on 4 since because of how I was treated. The comment you made has stuck with me for a while and has me concerned how you may treat members of security you may not recognize as a "secmain". RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - Silent Majority - 05-22-2025 You are good at communication typically. You're in my experience reasonable and polite. I've thrice seen you duplicate or try to duplicate eguns during difficult periods. Ive also noticed you keeping contraband on hand or going back to get it. This does make me have some concerns that you might just want a "gear upgrade", however it is my hope these are just temporary lapses. I think you respond to stress well. RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - Your Milk Cookies - 05-26-2025 I've seen really good RP and Officering from Fellow! Definitely in approval. RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - avanth - 05-29-2025 While I can't comment on their experience with teaching, leading, or anything of that myself due to the schedule that I have kept for a long while now preventing me from running into Ishmael much, I would like to share an experience I had with them that has led to a minor concern after mulling over it on and off a small bit over the last couple of days. The concern being that they might, currently, be a bit too hasty in their judgements and/or actions. This stems from an interaction I had as an NTSC in a changeling round. Instead of allowing medical silicons, and potentially a doctor (room was incredibly crowded at the time) operate to remove a headspider that had just lept into me, the path chosen was to shoot directly at me with lethals, and not just once but multiple times over the course of the next half a minute or so, and even as medical were trying to hastily operate to remove it on the spot. This could absolutely be a one off event, but it stuck out to me as a rather hastily made decision that attempted to prevented others from contributing, and stuck out as a concern as to how they might act in a larger role. RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - SomeOlFellow - 05-30-2025 (05-29-2025, 02:01 AM)avanth Wrote: While I can't comment on their experience with teaching, leading, or anything of that myself due to the schedule that I have kept for a long while now preventing me from running into Ishmael much, I would like to share an experience I had with them that has led to a minor concern after mulling over it on and off a small bit over the last couple of days. The concern being that they might, currently, be a bit too hasty in their judgements and/or actions. This stems from an interaction I had as an NTSC in a changeling round. Instead of allowing medical silicons, and potentially a doctor (room was incredibly crowded at the time) operate to remove a headspider that had just lept into me, the path chosen was to shoot directly at me with lethals, and not just once but multiple times over the course of the next half a minute or so, and even as medical were trying to hastily operate to remove it on the spot. This could absolutely be a one off event, but it stuck out to me as a rather hastily made decision that attempted to prevented others from contributing, and stuck out as a concern as to how they might act in a larger role. I feel this scene needs a bit of added context, and I'll provide an explanation for my actions here, as I'm replying. A changeling had eaten the Head of Security without our knowledge; I ended up in a private encounter with them that I only survived thanks to a mix of genes and security's (along with AI and the cyborgs), great response time. This resulted in our second shambler fight of the day, which resulted in you being spidered. I will admit, I was tense, and the initial shots were indeed hasty as I had forgotten table surgery was a thing in that moment and didn't notice the medical borg initially until they spoke up, saying to place you on the table. I gave them some time to work it out, but they couldn't figure out how to remove it. They then moved you to a bed, and still couldn't remove it (I believe this was due to you not being unconscious, a requirement for table/bed surgery). So I then made the decision to kill to prevent you from also being turned, if not already, as they had tried numerous times and failed to do an impromptu surgery. I did ask them if you were still in the infection stage at one point to which they said yes, I gave them some time to try to remove it, but given the wildly unpredictable nature that is changeling headspider conversion speeds, which can range anywhere from 30 seconds to five minutes I knew I had to be prepared and eventually made the decision myself. (I have witnessed BOTH of these, having fallen victim to the former). The initial shots were indeed hasty, but I gave them the time to work once I noticed them. I eventually decided to prevent total conversion, a decision I thought out over the minute after the initial chaos that was you being spidered and the time they were working on you. It was a tough decision, and one I feel could be justified both in and out of character. I could have given them more time, knowing the risks, but I did not take that risk as the round was already very high octane, and the given spider had managed to kill a lot of people before we even had an idea who they were. RE: HoS application: Ishmael Belmont (attempt 2) - LeahTheTech - 07-07-2025 We appreciate the time and effort you put into this application, but have decided to deny it due to mixed community response and concerns about your behaviour in command roles. You're welcome to reapply in 60 days, which would be September 5th, 2025. In the meantime, I'd encourage you to continue to gain experience in security and enjoy the game! |