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Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Sundance - 11-10-2013
Given the new chem thread cog posted to encourage people to do cool and smart stuff with the new information, I think it's time for some light on the operating system on goon.
Currently not alot of people really delve into it (I include myself in that list) because they really just don't know what the benefits of it are.
The ability to move guardbuddies to a certain area and perhaps target someone?
or to snoop in on PDA conversations?
or lock doors with your pda?
or somehow scanning the nuke on zeta and blowing it on the station? (I've seen this tried sooooo many times)
Chemistries know-how benefits you greatly and it's pretty clear, but TermOS seems all smoke and mirrors to me. It's a big secret, but I've never seen someone do much harm with it.
I can do very basic TermOS/DWAINE, the kind explained on the wiki, and a bit of ArtLab. But the stuff that's deeper buried I don't have a clue, and it seems obvious to me I'm not alone on this. I'm completely baffled by the pinging system. I feel if people knew what kind of destruction you could potentially cause on the crew, then more people would be trying it out. More people hacking through computers/doing cyber terror happening more frequently can only be a good thing.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Tteckk - 11-10-2013
If there were a guide i be using it a lot. I know its a complex maze of commands that aren't described Anywhere. And that's what frightens me. To this day, Years in from playing SS13, I still don't know how the packet sniffer works.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Cameron Higgs - 11-10-2013
I wish I knew my way around DWAINE more. Doing artlab with DWAINE is actually pretty easy on the whole hacking spectrum; you just cd /mnt/artlab, then type gptio and learn how to use it from there.
Once LLJK goes back up I'm going to do some more research with DWAINE and figure out how to do stuff, so I can write an effortpost on it.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Splatpope - 11-10-2013
fact is i'm a sysop in a pretty hardcore IT club IRL and I can't figure how ss13's haxx work
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Daeren - 11-10-2013
Fuck TermOS/DWAINE, the average player will run screaming after their first exposure and the actual hardcore ITnards either get mad that it's a worthless, only semi-accurate, half-complete, unnecessarily tedious model of a system that has little applicability, or REAL mad that it's unwittingly a perfect replication of nightmare-inducing proprietary OSes.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Embolism - 11-10-2013
You can do things like commanding buddies, nuking the station, eavesdrop on PDA messages, call/recall the shuttle and cause PDAs, buddies and computers to explode. There were talks of computer door control and email hacking as things-to-come but those hasn't materialised yet.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - ThoseDernSquirrels - 11-10-2013
Man, I'd love some more attention to computers and more additions to it.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - storm1911 - 11-10-2013
Its actually not that hard to understand,just a little problematic at the start when your'e like: "HOLY CLOWNS WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SCREEN???!!!"
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Zamujasa - 11-11-2013
The only thing I've ever used TermOS for is broadcasting "fart" to all of the station's printers. You don't even need it for sniffing packets any more, one of the PDA carts has a sniffer built in that you can snoop on.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Embolism - 11-11-2013
Zamujasa Wrote:The only thing I've ever used TermOS for is broadcasting "fart" to all of the station's printers. You don't even need it for sniffing packets any more, one of the PDA carts has a sniffer built in that you can snoop on.
The PDA can only sniff out radio packets. The majority of computer packets are wired, not radio.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - icarus - 11-11-2013
if there were more features people would be more interested in using the computers
embolism listed a couple things computers can do but the only thing that's really useful is controlling guardbuddies (and you need a head ID for that), nuking the station doesn't actually affect anyone anymore and PDA messages that're useful to intercept are rare
controlling the emergency shuttle and blowing up computers remotely sounds cool but i've never seen anyone who knows how to do it
i'm all for keeping computers complicated as long as there're more rewards for figuring them out
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Sundance - 11-11-2013
I was kinda hoping someone would spill the beans and explain step by step how to do one action or another (like give a guide on how to move a guardbuddy to a specific tile)
..rather than everyone piling in and saying "YEAH SUN I'M EQUALLY CLUELESS" about the whole thing. Which is good and bad really. Good in that it reinforces my point that not alot of people know this turbonerd wizardry. Bad in that it reinforces my point that not alot of people know this turbonerd wizardry.
Daeren Wrote:Fuck TermOS/DWAINE, the average player will run screaming after their first exposure and the actual hardcore ITnards either get mad that it's a worthless, only semi-accurate, half-complete, unnecessarily tedious model of a system that has little applicability, or REAL mad that it's unwittingly a perfect replication of nightmare-inducing proprietary OSes.Sounds to me like you know a bit of DWAINE. Are you pissed at it's limitations and shortcomings?
icarus Wrote:..if there were more features people would be more interested in using the computers..I agree totally, but right now not even the admins bother running any gimmicks with TermOS because nobody has a single clue. I'd LOVE to see some hacking objectives, people targeting the computer room below AI would be a force to be reckoned with. Stuff I would love to see:
..controlling the emergency shuttle and blowing up computers remotely sounds cool but i've never seen anyone who knows how to do it..
..i'm all for keeping computers complicated as long as there're more rewards for figuring them out..
[Beneficial]
-->USB ports on the computers so that people can slot their PDA's in and download information off computers
-->This would mean you could potentially download fun stuff for your pda. (I should make a suggestion thread for this) You could essentially build your PDA into a fully functional computer similar to the computer briefcase by simply downloading(or buying software)
-->Information would be a commodity, some traders will buy certain script that you downloaded to a PDA, encouraging people to delve deeper
-->Get in contact with traders via email (buying random stuff) or for more evil stuff, through a deeper network
-->Amalgamate email and PDA messaging, nobody uses emails, and it would be great for people who want send ad's/buying stuff from above/spamming people. This wouldn't mean that emails disappear entirely, but now sending someone an email prompts a pda message (which can be responded via pda)
[Nefarious]
-->The ability to hack into EVERYTHING. The budget, general manufactures, APC's, even AI camera mainframe and the like
-->The above includes PDA's. Give us the ability to actually physically take control (via a pop up window) of someone's PDA.
-->Through a deep network, you could find and pay for someone to actually target an area of the station via a torrent of missiles. "Give me X, or I will blow up Y" type of situations.
-->Find a trader online and piss him off via spam to the point where the next trader arrives, arrives already pissed and armed to the teeth.
I'm sure I could think of more. Alot of this stuff would require TermOS knowhow, like the last point would require you to send a script that repeats *fart to a printer (that doesn't exist in physical form, but appears to) and that would cause the trader to be ultra grump.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Captain_Bravo - 11-11-2013
There's actually been a bunch of posts (Mostly on SA) about really in-depth stuff for Dwaine and TermOS. I just lump all that in with shit like "Telescience" and "HoS". Anything that requires that big an investment in non-game-actions is just not worth it at all. If I want to stun that dude, I will simply steal a taser and shoot him, instead of coding a packet to spoof the RD's login so I can hack the guardbuddies into attacking him. Too damn much trouble.
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - Sundance - 11-11-2013
Captain_Bravo Wrote:There's actually been a bunch of posts (Mostly on SA) about really in-depth stuff for Dwaine and TermOS. I just lump all that in with shit like "Telescience" and "HoS". Anything that requires that big an investment in non-game-actions is just not worth it at all. If I want to stun that dude, I will simply steal a taser and shoot him, instead of coding a packet to spoof the RD's login so I can hack the guardbuddies into attacking him. Too damn much trouble.
This is the crux of the problem really. Why bother doing TermOS when it's bloody difficult when the alternative solution is not only easier but more effective as well.
This crux would be invalid of course, if there were unique actions you could do with the TermOS, like suggested, (or if already pre-existing too)
Re: Shedding some light on TermOS and other computer stuff - atomic1fire - 11-11-2013
Perhaps if there style points for doing super "technical" things as a traitor or antagonist, people would do it more often.
For example with chemistry you can blow up the station and leave it a holed, green glowing mess.
Perhaps if you could cause machines to actually "explode" or "behave badly" by doing super technical things, e.g discover exploits in the computers, then people would use computers to do terrible things.
e.g Hack into the security computer and remove all the security records so that nobody can be set to arrest.
e.g hack into the teleporter and start spamming random monsters and the scientists have no idea what's going on.
e.g hack into the pump controls and cause the pressure to make the pipes in the engine explode.
e.g cause random devices to overheat so they explode or something.