• An escape shuttle vote is initiated by an announcement by the players. If majority votes "Y", it gets called. Otherwise, it doesn't.
  
• A shuttle may sometimes be randomly called out of nowhere. Everyone is annoyed and screams to recall. If it's not recalled, the round is over in an unsatisfying way for everyone.
  
• Shuttle shift change shuttle is called, everyone things "eh it's fine" and recalls it to pursue their long-term projects such as advzone, cargonia, learning new departments in low chaos etc. Anyone who got gibbed or permanently removed from the round has no chance to come back for potentially several hours.
  
• A rampaging maniac massacres enough crew to result in "crew member fatalities" shuttle call. It's certain they have access - now you're at the mercy of them not recalling out of courtesy for the rest of the players. But they're technically allowed to recall the fatality shuttle, and it's not even technically against the rules, though it's somewhat reasonable for an admin to get involved and yell at the antag for this I still think it's problematic due to the mechanics.
  
• Someone keeps calling the shuttle, the crew keeps recalling. This will happen for as long as one side or the other gets bored and gives up, or admins get involved. Nothing meaningful stops this mechanically, as the 2 minute threshold never has a chance to pass.
  

• A lot of antags go loud and start racking up kills, either for fun or for objectives. Panic, stress and chaos ensues.
  
• People sometimes get randomly thrown out the airlocks or broken windows, or just end up getting killed by a self-antag. Ahelps and messy post-round log-scouring for admins ensue.
  
• Some antags and players who want to live huddle in some corner, hide themselves in sleepers, the lockers, or just lay down and pray to God a bomb doesn't go off.
  
• A bomb goes off, a whole bunch of people die.
  
• Security huddles in the brig in hopes of surviving. They don't even bother dealing with the amount of chaos and friendly fire going on in the main section of the shuttle.
  
• If, by some miracle, no antags make it to the shuttle, paranoia, stress and expectation of chaos might still lead to all of the above occurring. Expect a flood of post-round ahelps.
  
• Have fun with your hijack objective! Even critters apparently count, so enjoy being a Ling with your limb critters counting against the objective and red texting your ass. Most likely requires gratuitous rampage, barricading the escape shuttle, sabotaging escape pods and murdering everything and anything that gets on. Only seen this greentexted on low pop, which sometimes isn't even a challenge depending on antag.
  

• Centcomm is completely okay with sending and re-sending the shuttle as many times as necessary, no charge, no complaint! Fuel costs be damned!
  
• Centcomm is completely okay with their extremely expensive station going derelict over any reason, or none provided! They have no thresholds in place to determine what is a "shuttle-callable" situation, structural integrity or crew shortage does not matter! This crew just feels like leaving, I guess!
  
• The shuttle is called *every round*! That's each round of a derelict space station, if we consider each round doesn't exist in its own self-contained universe.
  
• Make money and research to lose it all! The station is no-doubt expensive, but it does not seem to matter to the company, despite there being mechanics in place for station budget and selling research.
  

• Win by killing all nuke ops before the nuke is planted
  
• Win by destroying the nuke even if nuke ops are alive or not
  
• Win (?) by escaping in the shuttle before the nuke gets planted
  
• Lose by nuke ops killing everyone and blowing up the station
  
• Lose by escaping on the shuttle with a planted nuke
  

• If the pattern is for people to start shuttle votes, why not make it the default behavior? A shuttle vote must be initiated to decide whether a shuttle is called or not. Anyone not voting is ignored.
  
• Similarly, to recall the shuttle, there needs to be a limiting factor - perhaps a vote as well, or a limited amount of recalls in a certain period of time. Due to the shuttle vote itself requiring a vote, perhaps there's a maximum of one recall per 30 or so minutes? Just spitballing.
  
• I have no clue what to even do for the shuttle transit itself. Some people pondered lengthening the time spent in transit, but I dunno if I see merit in that yet.
  
• Perhaps hijack objectives should be removed from lowpop unless a certain threshold of players is reached - maybe at least 15 people must be there at roundstart for hijack objectives to be introduced in rotation?
  

• I've been pondering the concept of Department Objectives. Each station department is tasked with fulfilling a certain quantifiable objective - Quartermasters have to earn X amount of money for Nanotrasen, Roboticists have to create a number of borgs and available surplus bodies/securitrons, Research has to correctly identify a number of artifacts for a good overall percentage rate, Security has to ensure at least half the antagonists are brigged or borged, Civilian department has to have a certain number of food, drinks and produce available for sale through QM, etc. - Out of all of these objectives, only some of them have to be completed to unlock an alternative round end.
  
• Perhaps that alternative round end earns everyone on the station a vacation or something, and you can reach that vacation through a space dinner shuttle?
  
• The vacation shuttle may not even necessarily end the round - simply accelerate it by perhaps removing the ability to recall the shuttle, and auto-calling it once the vacation shuttle arrives at the vacation zone?
  
• Alternatively, the new round end conditions could be tied to advzone, however the problem with this is it's tied into telesci and any volunteers willing to participate in *off-station* adventures.
  

(11-24-2021, 10:19 AM)Jakson Wrote: I’ve always advocated for a bigger shuttle. Make the medbay section of the shuttle much bigger, so that doctors can actually take care of people dying on the ground, and make the actual walk space bigger. Of course, this would require remapping of several maps to incorporate new shuttle designs, but it’s an important change I think we need.

(11-24-2021, 06:14 AM)Crystalwarrior Wrote: Now, let's look at this lore-wise. What does The Company - Centcomm - do during all this?

• Centcomm is completely okay with sending and re-sending the shuttle as many times as necessary, no charge, no complaint! Fuel costs be damned!
  
• Centcomm is completely okay with their extremely expensive station going derelict over any reason, or none provided! They have no thresholds in place to determine what is a "shuttle-callable" situation, structural integrity or crew shortage does not matter! This crew just feels like leaving, I guess!
  
• The shuttle is called *every round*! That's each round of a derelict space station, if we consider each round doesn't exist in its own self-contained universe.
  
• Make money and research to lose it all! The station is no-doubt expensive, but it does not seem to matter to the company, despite there being mechanics in place for station budget and selling research.
  

(11-25-2021, 04:28 PM)Tribaja Wrote: Larger shuttles seem to be in need for sure at least in my opinion. Like with the population growing we're probably only one wave of new fellas coming from a streamer or youtuber away from literally all standing space in a shuttle being taken with only room for more people who crawl on the ground (which tbh would be hilarious as well, but would get kinda annoying too after a while.)

On the topic of escape shuttle votes, I'd certainly be up for it and I'd even suggest that make it a vote that any head (and AI) can commence which pings everyone's PDAs and has a nice, noticeable box right on the main screen where you can vote with tallies for Y/N. This would give the PDA some more use and make keeping it somewhat a priority. Hell you could even rig the vote if you stole PDAs!

To add to this you could have only the Captain and HoS have the power to unilaterally call the shuttle without a vote. And maybe have it work with like a hand or eyescanner. Could get some cool situations with the crew having to cut off a hand/eye to call the shuttle if the vote can't get started or somebody is rigging it with stolen PDAs to not call.

(11-25-2021, 04:28 PM)Tribaja Wrote: Larger shuttles seem to be in need for sure at least in my opinion. Like with the population growing we're probably only one wave of new fellas coming from a streamer or youtuber away from literally all standing space in a shuttle being taken with only room for more people who crawl on the ground (which tbh would be hilarious as well, but would get kinda annoying too after a while.)

On the topic of escape shuttle votes, I'd certainly be up for it and I'd even suggest that make it a vote that any head (and AI) can commence which pings everyone's PDAs and has a nice, noticeable box right on the main screen where you can vote with tallies for Y/N. This would give the PDA some more use and make keeping it somewhat a priority. Hell you could even rig the vote if you stole PDAs!

To add to this you could have only the Captain and HoS have the power to unilaterally call the shuttle without a vote. And maybe have it work with like a hand or eyescanner. Could get some cool situations with the crew having to cut off a hand/eye to call the shuttle if the vote can't get started or somebody is rigging it with stolen PDAs to not call.

(11-26-2021, 01:29 PM)Mouse Wrote: Escape shuttle votes are absolute garbage because half the people who would vote "yes" are already dead or too busy dealing with the absolute nightmare of a station that the people voting "no" are intentionally ignoring to vote.