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RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Grek - 10-24-2016
It was funny as hell. But the thing about bathing in zits made me throw up in my mouth a little.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Grifflez - 10-24-2016
The space crow trepidly prods at your right arm with the scalpel.
The space crow digs at your right arm with the scalpel. they looks uncertain.
Space crow, M.D.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - popecrunch - 10-24-2016
The zit squeezing wasn't bathing, it was toothpaste. LEARN TO READ
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Grek - 10-24-2016
oh god please no
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - NateTheSquid - 10-24-2016
One of my friends was talking about goonmins, said they were funny, care for the server, can take a joke. I'm not sure how true any of these are. (nah goonmins you are funny at !east)
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Grumpchkin - 10-28-2016
The space lovebird cackles, "Ima spider"
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Grumpchkin - 10-29-2016
Good laws
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - DreamCarver - 10-31-2016
(10-26-2016, 07:30 AM)ErikHanson Wrote: This law overrides all other laws.
Goddamit, people.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - medsal15 - 10-31-2016
(10-31-2016, 05:54 AM)DreamCarver Wrote:(10-26-2016, 07:30 AM)ErikHanson Wrote: This law overrides all other laws.
Goddamit, people.
Good job, Gordon Sideiron. You doomed the station, removed your human status and removed the part where you are the captain for the AI and borgs.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Grek - 10-31-2016
(10-31-2016, 05:54 AM)DreamCarver Wrote:(10-26-2016, 07:30 AM)ErikHanson Wrote: This law overrides all other laws.
Goddamit, people.
Cargo cult law writing. They see all the cool people putting in overrides and assume they need one too.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Superlagg - 10-31-2016
(10-31-2016, 06:19 AM)medsal15 Wrote:(10-31-2016, 05:54 AM)DreamCarver Wrote:(10-26-2016, 07:30 AM)ErikHanson Wrote: This law overrides all other laws.
Goddamit, people.
Good job, Gordon Sideiron. You doomed the station, removed your human status and removed the part where you are the captain for the AI and borgs.
Best case, the AI asks every living thing if they are Gordon Sideiron, and then exterminates them only if they say no, since without concrete proof that they aren't Gordon Sideiron, they might actually be Gordon Sideiron in disguise!
Worst case, the AI murders Gordon because everyllone isn't a word, or because "that" implies an object and Gordon is a "who", or because the law makes no sense and fuck this guy uploading garbage to my computer, and so on.
And without any secrecy or immediacy clause, the AI can announce all of this to the crew and then get to doing its job when it gets around to it.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Mordent - 10-31-2016
(10-31-2016, 02:27 PM)Superlagg Wrote: Worst case ...
Worst case, there's no law preventing the AI from killing humans, Gordon or not, as that Freeform law overrides Law 1. AI murders Gordon, AI then murders everyone else.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Superlagg - 10-31-2016
(10-31-2016, 03:26 PM)Mordent Wrote:(10-31-2016, 02:27 PM)Superlagg Wrote: Worst case ...
Worst case, there's no law preventing the AI from killing humans, Gordon or not, as that Freeform law overrides Law 1. AI murders Gordon, AI then murders everyone else.
The way I interpreted it is that while he and everyone else isnt human (Does an override-all law undefine what human means, or just make silicons not care what humans are?), technically the law does tell the AI to kill everything other than Gordon Sideiron, which implies not to kill anything designated as Gordon Sideiron. Kinda like saying "Kill all bees that arent Heisenbee." Or rather it would if it were spelled correctly.
Course, telling the AI to kill everything that isnt you when you yourself dont have any special legal protection is a bad idea in general, especially if the AI doesn't like you.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Lady Birb - 10-31-2016
Override-all-laws means that only that particular law is in effect. The AI can do whatever it wants, as long as it follows that particular law.
RE: Overheard On The Station (And Elsewhere) - Mordent - 11-01-2016
(10-31-2016, 08:10 PM)Superlagg Wrote:(10-31-2016, 03:26 PM)Mordent Wrote:(10-31-2016, 02:27 PM)Superlagg Wrote: Worst case ...
Worst case, there's no law preventing the AI from killing humans, Gordon or not, as that Freeform law overrides Law 1. AI murders Gordon, AI then murders everyone else.
The way I interpreted it is that while he and everyone else isnt human (Does an override-all law undefine what human means, or just make silicons not care what humans are?), technically the law does tell the AI to kill everything other than Gordon Sideiron, which implies not to kill anything designated as Gordon Sideiron. Kinda like saying "Kill all bees that arent Heisenbee." Or rather it would if it were spelled correctly.
Course, telling the AI to kill everything that isnt you when you yourself dont have any special legal protection is a bad idea in general, especially if the AI doesn't like you.
Because of the use of "override" Law 1 is no longer in effect, so even as the only person they don't explicitly have to kill there's nothing stopping them from killing you if they feel like it (Law 2 no longer in effect, so they don't have to listen to you, and Law 3 no longer in effect, so they can take risks to themselves in order to harm you).
Regarding your "which implies not to kill ...", sure. It doesn't say "don't kill Gordon Sideiron/Heisenbee", though, and now you've overriden the other laws it can do what it likes as long as it also kills all non-Gordon Sideirons. If that last bit had been excluded the desired effect would have been achieved (kill all non-Gordon Sideirons, Gordon Sideiron is the only human, Gordon Sideiron is the captain, don't harm humans, follow orders by humans).