Ed Venture Wrote:Not disagreeing with you Frank but what I was saying was there were ways to fight the old cloaker and those same ways still apply today. I feel like the way the cloaker is today is fine and does not need anymore nerfing done to it.

Ed Venture Wrote:It's like people forgot that back then you could use flashes to disrupt the cloak if you knew there were in there.

Ed Venture Wrote:It's like people forgot that back then you could use flashes to disrupt the cloak if you knew there were in there. Thermals and flashes were not the only ways to fight back against a cloaker. Sure it was OP back then but you were not completely invincible.

I still say that the nerf they gave it balanced it out a great deal and does not need to be nerf any further. Plus once people know the cloaker is out there the AI will track them and make things alot easier for the people trying to stop the cloaker

Sundance Wrote:It's already been stated numerous times by many people that the cloak is kinda shit. Further making it shit without buffing it in some other manner is lacking foresight because I shit you not, there'll be a thread in X amount of weeks saying how shit the cloaker is. Shit count: 5

I'd say if you're going to go down the manner of adding a short cooldown, then:
A) Make it so it can be pocketed
B) Make it so you are invisible to AI and borgs.

Paineframe Wrote:The cloak is still better than the chameleon projector, and nobody complains about how that's "shit" now. I feel like this is all just a matter of people whining that it isn't as good as it used to be and refusing to use it on principle, just like they did with mediborgs for a while. Part of the problem, of course, is that being invisible is just not useful and has never been useful. The only draw of the cloaker has always been the ability to murder people while invisible soyou can rampage with impunity and no one can fight back. Without that going for it, invisibility just sucks in general.

Scrumpys Wrote:I just got destroyed by a detective actually wearing his thermals. So maybe a sufficient nerf for the cloak would be to make thermals somewhat more available and actually give people a reason to wear them.

Paineframe Wrote:Knowing where they are was pretty hard since they were totally invisible, though! The only counter-strategy for the old cloak that's been posted so far is to build a bunch of walls so that you're at the end of a one-tile wide hallway, fill it with broken glass, and then stay there the entire round hoping that the cloaker walks into this extremely obvious trap and isn't wearing shoes.

Quote:Flashers, thermals, flashbangs, cyborgs, the AI, all sorts of things are effective against a cloak. Get creative. Put some effort in.- DyssalC

Sundance Wrote:

Paineframe Wrote:The cloak is still better than the chameleon projector, and nobody complains about how that's "shit" now. I feel like this is all just a matter of people whining that it isn't as good as it used to be and refusing to use it on principle, just like they did with mediborgs for a while. Part of the problem, of course, is that being invisible is just not useful and has never been useful. The only draw of the cloaker has always been the ability to murder people while invisible soyou can rampage with impunity and no one can fight back. Without that going for it, invisibility just sucks in general.

Well ok, give me a shred of evidence where people have said the cloak is OK then? Look outside this thread. Use the search function and type cloak and you'll find tepid responses on how it could be improved upon. There's whining, and then there's people actually pointing out flaws to the system, learn to distinguish.

Look i'm not saying the cloak is bad per se. But if people are going down the route of further nerfing it so that someone will be visible long enough to be spotted and shot at then it should be buffed in another manner, that's not unreasonable at all.

Paineframe Wrote:I'm sure people go for TK a lot less often now that you can't grab a camera monitor and murder the entire station with impunity; does that mean TK needs a buff?

DyssalC Wrote:

Paineframe Wrote:I'm sure people go for TK a lot less often now that you can't grab a camera monitor and murder the entire station with impunity; does that mean TK needs a buff?

Just for the record, TK saw a colossal nerf not too long ago that changed the functionality entirely. So arguably, yes.

BaneOfGiygas Wrote:

DyssalC Wrote:

Paineframe Wrote:I'm sure people go for TK a lot less often now that you can't grab a camera monitor and murder the entire station with impunity; does that mean TK needs a buff?

Just for the record, TK saw a colossal nerf not too long ago that changed the functionality entirely. So arguably, yes.

It's also worth noting that no one's complaining about the TK nerf, or at least not as vociferously as this whole cloaker debacle.

Ed Venture Wrote:Cause the nerf it already has is enough. Hardly anyone uses it as it is, then one guy complains about it and you want to nerf it further. Please refrain from insults I don't intend to insult anyone else or to attack their opinion. I was a little frustrated because from my point of view you guys add new content and then when your out of ideas you got on a nerfing crusade and nerf something to oblivion. Also please explain how it is a exploit and how you feel instead of justify why it needs another nerf without calling people names. I use to think you nice and could get your point across without needless insults.