(Yesterday, 12:40 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote: I personally want to reqork chemistry and pharmacy.

The main problems:

1. If you are not needed for your job, you don't do it. Engineers would not set up the engine, if it wouldn't be needed, for example.

2. Chemistry or botany are not needed for medbay to function

3. Scientists have other stuff to do so they don't sit in chemistry available for requests

4. Since scientists neither sit available in chemistry to take requests nor prepare chems to send in medbay, people don't request chems.

5. Since the pharmacy exists, doctors do chems on their own.

6. 5 leads back to number 2

We got a vicious cricle here.

So, how to break this up? I want to rework chemistry for quite some time. I think it's time to write up a design document.

Basically it boils down to the following:

1. Split chemistry off science.  Chemist will be it's own job. Science will loose the access to chemistry. Head will stay RD.

2. Increase the size of chemistry, make glassware more visible and give them some barrels and chempipe appliances on round start

3. Remove the chem dispenser from pharmacy, add a pharmacy dispenser that is fueled with chem cartridges. Chem cartrides hold 200u of a chem of a single type. The pharmacy dispenser can be used to fill hyposprays, menders and others. The cartridges are the same used to reguel menders

4. The pharmacy dispenser starts with 1 cartridge of each of the following: potassium iodine, charcoal, sulf, styptic, saline-glucose.

5. Give chemistry a cartridge printer. These can convert pure chems into cartridges, tamper-safe against tiders and ready to be given to medbay.

6. Increase the baseline capacity of non-beaker glasware to 200u. Or maybe beakers too with a nerf to beaker splashing.

7. Work on chemicals to enable more sophisticated reactions and medbay-mixes.

8. Rule wise, make it clear that chemists not supplying medbay is working against their job. Like with the engineers and the engine, chemistry doing jackshit while medbay falling apart should be ahelp-able.

9. As a last step, decrease the amount of chemicals available to medbay drastically. And maybe kill off pharmscists again and give medbay access to the now new pharmacy.

The chem system is deep. It is enough gameplay to fuel a single job. The problem is two departments hog it, but don't really use it as main-task.

By giving it it's own job, we would achieve the best of all worlds. **Doctors know there is one to rely on**, if they see someone working in chemistry. Chemists will be needed and habe a reason to actually do work. Glasware and chempipes are available and visible, so people will actually try to work with them (and see how busted they are).

And scientsts can do what they laways do: run from responsibility.

(Yesterday, 12:30 AM)Agent reburG Wrote: You can't force them in the end to stick with only making Medical Chems, so it WILL happen from time to time.

You can force them to. We do the same with engineers, medbay and security.

(Yesterday, 01:00 AM)Agent reburG Wrote: In short, for the sake of more forced cooperation, we need a complete new rule set that regulates what it means to do your job and have it constantly enforced by admin staff?

(Yesterday, 01:02 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote:

(Yesterday, 01:00 AM)Agent reburG Wrote: In short, for the sake of more forced cooperation, we need a complete new rule set that regulates what it means to do your job and have it constantly enforced by admin staff?

No, we have that rule already to some degree.

(Yesterday, 01:06 AM)Agent reburG Wrote: Quote it then please, because I never have seen it on paper or action.

(Yesterday, 01:10 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote:

(Yesterday, 01:06 AM)Agent reburG Wrote: Quote it then please, because I never have seen it on paper or action.

"Play your character as though they wish to keep their job at Nanotrasen."

Its part of rp rule 1. And on the discord i saw it said multiple times like that.

On classic, you are in your own, as you always are (e.g. with setting up the engine)

If it isn't working, ahelp.

And for engineering, security and medbsy, it IS working. If we design chemistry right, it can for that department as well. Heck, even for genetics it's working.

(Yesterday, 01:42 AM)Agent reburG Wrote: But this isn't particularly well enforced, I bummed into too many RDs not responding, too many HoPs vanishing and this only the head staff. 
I could even say that at times I didn't just timidly played my job and only my job, and I think this applies to almost everyone at times. 

I think what you intend could maybe work, or at least bring definitely improvement, but even as someone that regularly improves and adds some things as you, don't you think this is too ambiguous just for a mild interaction between people? 
What about the other issues, won't Doctors just have then genuinely less to do?
I mean, could promise that it's will be done in foreseeable time and still be worth it?

(Yesterday, 02:46 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote: I mean, that is a different discussion, but i agree with you that it's not particularry well enforced, especially for science.

What held me back mostly is the pushback i get from comments and discord on other topics, especially for medbay.

You remember the fuss we had about the dialysis machine buff/purgative berf i PR'ed like a year ago? The machine was an idea to give medbay something more involved to do. What held it back was the power of calomel and pentetic acid.

That's a problem with medbay in It's entirety. They have not enough to do because they heal people too fast with their baseline tools.

Giving them sidejobs, like pharmacy, creates the "scientist"-problem: too many things able to do that noone can tell what their actual job is. And noone can hold them accountable if they don't do one thing, such as chemistry.

Yes  it gives them less to do. That's not a bad thing. We just need to keep working on what their goal should be. And doing chems isn't that goal.

And lastly, "mild interaction" is not the reason. The reason is "giving chemistry a goal". A goal they should achieve each and every round

(Yesterday, 12:40 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote: So, how to break this up? I want to rework chemistry for quite some time. I think it's time to write up a design document.

Basically it boils down to the following:

1. Split chemistry off science.  Chemist will be it's own job. Science will loose the access to chemistry. Head will stay RD.

(Yesterday, 03:22 AM)GARGATHUGANOKSREVENG Wrote: mfw chemistry isn't scientific anymore

(Yesterday, 03:25 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote: Oh, i really like that idea wuth the chem request console. Requisitions are always fun to fulfill and this adds on top of it.

(Yesterday, 03:22 AM)GARGATHUGANOKSREVENG Wrote: mfw chemistry isn't scientific anymore

Nono, you goz it wrong. Chemistry will still stay in the science department. But, because it's actually important science, it gets it's own job.

(Yesterday, 03:25 AM)Lord_earthfire Wrote: Oh, i really like that idea wuth the chem request console. Requisitions are always fun to fulfill and this adds on top of it.

(Yesterday, 03:22 AM)GARGATHUGANOKSREVENG Wrote: mfw chemistry isn't scientific anymore

Nono, you goz it wrong. Chemistry will still stay in the science department. But, because it's actually important science, it gets it's own job.

(Yesterday, 04:12 AM)Zombie Wrote: Hard against this: While doctors immediately making pent, perf, whatever always comes off as odd this requires that the pharmacist doesn't just make meth, is actually filled out, it removes an important tool (making if not instant death chems, then at least some neurotoxin or whatever) for antag doctors.