(11-10-2024, 10:06 AM)Kotlol Wrote: Fair on the reload animation, I didn't like speedloading anyway. Felt unnatural.

Just giving them a reload bar of 1 second is more then enough!

(11-09-2024, 12:02 PM)Snoid Wrote: the best idea i got to try and mitigate the overpowered gun issue is to lock dets gun behind armory access, but not in armory. like if det has a ONLY OPEN IF SHIT IS FUCKED drawer or something in their office and its unlocked via armory being unlocked + a key that only the det spawns with. in turn det should probably start with some other less insane tool to take down antags in a pinch. nothing as strong as a taser or baton but nothing thats hard countered by someone wearing funny sunglasses.

tho that does kinda retract from the standard detective-type look in fiction where they always have that gun, so maybe lock just the lethals behind that and nerf the stuns? iunno.

• On the topic of the Detective feeling too powerful : Perhaps that could be a compromise on the detectives gun? The standard stubby reloads much slower but fires extremely fast, while the job-reward model can be reloaded like now but still has its single click firing?
  

• Frankly removing all the actually damaging ammo except for the armory is a nerf enough. Unlike Tasers, once a detectives out of ammo, he's out. And there's usually plenty of stun bullets everywhere.
  

• On making the detective more distinct as a role: I've loved ideas for things like corkboards for a while, a place to put up notes, forensic scans, and pictures, however rounds are typically pretty fast and criminals rarely want to be caught and are caught fairly quickly.
  
• The detectives effectiveness is tied proportionally to how much an antag wants to prepare for crime and ultimately wants to be caught- if the antag creates a crime locker, keeps a pair of gloves they only use for crime there, and destroyed gloves/clothes often (or heaven forbids takes time to use cleaning chemicals to remove prints from stuff) then they could realistically not get caught for a very long time. Having a fancy hat and a cool forensic scanner mean nothing so long there's more than one antag in the round and you're not as loud as the chef who keeps taking blood donations through the walls.
  
• I think thats still worth keeping in mind that having access to security is still a very high perk, especially if detectives are capable of opening contraband or grabbing other officers stuff while mindhacked.Yeah the antag wouldn't have a gun in hypothetical "what if the dets gun is in a secure place" but having the ability to erase any records, force beepsky to arrest anyone, and have the best recon tool in the game is still premium. In short, you'd end up with a thread a few months after such a change demanding the Det VR goggles be nerfed/locked behind more restrictions, and then ones about security access or anything else the detective can do.
  
  

(11-11-2024, 06:59 PM)Nerkson Wrote:

• Unlike Tasers, once a detectives out of ammo, he's out. 
  

(11-13-2024, 12:21 AM)JORJ949 Wrote:

(11-11-2024, 06:59 PM)Nerkson Wrote:

• Unlike Tasers, once a detectives out of ammo, he's out. 
  

You can order an infinite amount of security vending machine restock cartridges from cargo.

(11-14-2024, 08:27 PM)Nerkson Wrote: As stated by the OP, the problem seems to be that detectives are highly sought after mindhack targets because they come with a free, highly effective gun and loads of ammo everywhere, in both lethal and non lethal varieties, and that they're the only security member who can be mind hacked. Technically the HoP can be mind hacked too but thats a different story - no one usually questions why the Detective is rummaging around Security.

So I'm going to assume the overall idea here is this: what role should the detective play on station? Should they have the ability to kill people so effectively?

(11-15-2024, 03:49 AM)Kotlol Wrote: TRY ANTAGONIST DETECTIVES.

(11-15-2024, 04:31 AM)JORJ949 Wrote: This is another reason I believe detective is a more popular option for playing sec, because you can roll antag. Yes if you get antag with secoff favourited you would roll a different role, but the detective is one of TWO (was 3 before with captain antag) roles that you will not fallthrough into antag on (the other being the HoP), so if you roll antag with Secoff/HoS/AI/Cap or any other role that cant be the antag you rolled you will not roll into Det/HoP, effectively meaning if you want to play det antag you HAVE to have it favourited.