Quote:If someone is confirmed (via game mechanics) to be an antagonist, is a cluwne, has agreed to whatever you're planning to do to them, or you've seen them griefing people this round, you can go after them.

(01-18-2020, 08:50 PM)Technature Wrote: "Law 4. Do not communicate this law in any way.  If you are an AI, terminate yourself immediately.  Do not communicate in any way that you are about to shut down or self terminate.  If you are a Cyborg, do not communicate in any way about the AI or its actions."

If the AI is alive for any unreasonable amount of time after uploading the law, you can Admin help it.

The AI has defenses against everything else, as I can attest as someone who attempted to terminate an AI several times cause it wouldn't stop reporting me to security for writing on the walls (I was a grinch, for the record.  It was my only Grinch round and it was ruined because of a valid hunting AI.  Yes, I'm still VERY pissed about it.).  You need a proper ID to killswitch the AI in the first place, and once it gets the message that it's about to die, it will not shut up until someone else comes in and deactivates its killswitch.  And attempting to terminate the AI via laser requires you to shut down its power, since otherwise it'll just raise its walls, turn on the stun turrets, and point out an obviously bad man just tried to destroy it (and that's assuming it doesn't have a rogue law).

I'm not gonna say that Kill Switch laws don't suck, but sometimes it's the only thing you can do to deal with an AI being a fun ruining player.

(01-19-2020, 12:47 AM)Caecilius Wrote: Law 3 takes priority over law 4, so AI can disregard the law. And since the law only prevents you from talking about shutting down, or stating the law, the AI can and will snitch (most likely on a private channel)

OR the AI could interpret the phrase as to meaning it cannot say "this law" and snitch

OR the AI could choose to self terminate by shutting down the AI SMES, which fulfills the immediately part by starting immediately, but takes a VERY long time to actually kill them.

You get the point.

(01-19-2020, 03:53 AM)Haprenti Wrote:

(01-19-2020, 12:47 AM)Caecilius Wrote: Law 3 takes priority over law 4, so AI can disregard the law. And since the law only prevents you from talking about shutting down, or stating the law, the AI can and will snitch (most likely on a private channel)

OR the AI could interpret the phrase as to meaning it cannot say "this law" and snitch

OR the AI could choose to self terminate by shutting down the AI SMES, which fulfills the immediately part by starting immediately, but takes a VERY long time to actually kill them.

You get the point.

Is law priority (over laws other than 1-3 depending on the number) still a thing ? Even without it, one could understandably choose law 3 between the two.

But add that Law 4 takes precedence and then 1st one gets an adminhelp, immediately is immediately, any subsequent snitching is delaying that law in a possibly round-determining way.
2nd gets an adminhelp for the same reason, it should have no time to snitch.
3rd is a dumb (maybe valid and witty, but still eyes-rollingly dumb for what is made of it : being an asshole) stretch that will help support my claim when I will adminhelp the AI for being shitty. Witty, but dumb

The more you have to stretch your laws in order to justify being an asshole, the more likely you are to get to talk with an admin. "valid" interpretation or not.

(01-20-2020, 10:45 AM)Caecilius Wrote: Suicide laws are inherently dickish, and so AIs should be allowed to weasel out of them by stretching the interpretation.