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LLJK1's AI and You - Mordent - 08-12-2016 So as I'm currently out of commission in the game I figured I could get a post up here that hopefully some people might read and take note of. This is just a few things that I'd like to put out there for the sake of all of you LLJK2 folks who are trying LLJK1 out, as well as for some of the "regulars" who, without naming names or trying to passive-aggressively call you terrible people, I'd appreciate changing their actions a touch to make things smoother and more enjoyable for all. First up, the good: as a regular AI player (FuLPaSM, or Fundamental Language Parser and Station Monitor) massive thanks to those of you who go out of your way to interact with the AI in a positive manner. This includes, but is not limited to: understanding that it takes more than a few seconds to carry out some commands; understanding that FuLPaSM's speech "gimmick" is there to make things interesting and not just annoying; building the AI a cyborg so that they can play too; and uploading some amusing freestyle laws that don't negatively affect the station or the players. Secondly, please don't just randomly killswitch/debrain the AI with no real reason. Under standard laws I am required to follow commands and not harm humans, and while I don't have to do anything else just because I use my initiative to do something on occasion doesn't mean "omg rogue AI is doing stuff, kill it". For example:
Fourth, gimmick laws. Gimmicks can be entertaining, and they do make my rounds much more tolerable if they're not ridiculous. Here's some good laws:
Just as a final note: if, for whatever reason, someone does upload a shitty law, don't bitch at me if I follow it. In general I try not to be a dick.
I guess what I'm trying to get across here is: AI players are players to. Make us a borg, don't upload shitty laws, and don't just killswitch/debrain if someone's managed to get a get some nasty law uploaded. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Erik - 08-12-2016 I completely agree with this, most of this even applies to #2 as well. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Nnystyxx - 08-12-2016 Please don't get too wacky with speech-limiting laws. AI gets told to do things, or say things, and gets shit on for not saying/doing those/gets called rogue. If the AI can't answer because of the rhyme shit, then they're bound to get shit on. And people really, really like doing that to AI. Also the role picks anyone possible for it because there has to be an AI, so there's that. Please don't make a role people keep accidentally getting absolutely miserable for them to play. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Noah Buttes - 08-12-2016 Pirate speech laws are okay, right? RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Erik - 08-12-2016 (08-12-2016, 05:53 PM)Noah Buttes Wrote: Pirate speech laws are okay, right? No, all speech laws are fucked up and just straight up annoying. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Arborinus - 08-12-2016 Just remember just because the community says it's shitty doesn't mean you get to completely ignore it (which has happened to me as a law uploader). You never know when an antagonist is trying to have fun and involve the AI more than a boring "one human" or "suicide immediately" law. Speaking to the AI and getting its permission is always good as a non-antag though. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Noah Buttes - 08-12-2016 (08-12-2016, 05:57 PM)ErikHanson Wrote:(08-12-2016, 05:53 PM)Noah Buttes Wrote: Pirate speech laws are okay, right? RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Grek - 08-12-2016 Feel free to upload your shitty speech laws when I am playing as AI, I'm probably the only person who actually enjoys them. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - ZeWaka - 08-13-2016 I love the 'shitty' speech laws for AI. I always know I'm going to have a really fun round when I get them. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Mordent - 08-13-2016 (08-13-2016, 12:09 AM)zewaka Wrote: I love the 'shitty' speech laws for AI. I always know I'm going to have a really fun round when I get them. They're probably fine if you don't already have a speech gimmick going. It takes me time to get information across as is with how I play FuLPaSM, never mind if I have to make every third word in Latin unless the time since shift start is a number of minutes divisible by 13 in which case I should only use interpretive dance. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Roomba - 08-13-2016 I don't mind most speech laws except the more egregiously terrible ones, but please keep in mind that if the AI is talking funny there is usually a reason for it, and killswitching or uploading 'holy shit shut the fuck up and never speak again' is a Disproportionate Response. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Vitatroll - 08-13-2016 Uploading speech laws is a bit hitlerish. This is fine if you're going for that, but most people are trying to be cute and actually believe their law is the best thing in the world. The worst laws tend to be the ones that force the silicons to do x every y. Some aren't that bad. Then there are some like 'Advertise my (shitty) store in FULLCAPS every 10 seconds'. Got-dayum, people. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - Nnystyxx - 08-13-2016 Sometimes people go in and want to be a normal, helpful AI. That's fine. Sometimes they want to talk a specific way, that's also fine. Sometimes you get a law dictating you are a teenage girl on prom night and the Captain is your strict father or something I don't even know?? Please don't force me to roleplay weird shit and don't force me to talk like a fucking nutjob, I'm getting forced to open doors and track people as it is, I don't want to lose communication, the ONLY fun thing I have as AI. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - lambskin - 08-13-2016 laws that force you to only talk in binary are the worst, however people usually get annoyed enough to either put you out of your misery or reset you. RE: LLJK1's AI and You - BBEG - 08-14-2016 Personally i feel people don't respect the AI because it's pretty much just a door knob that talk's i miss the old days where the AI well and truly fuck up the station. i really feel that people would respect the AI more if it were much more dangerous |