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shambling abom's scream - LinkDaWolf - 08-25-2013
a changeling shambler was able to keep a crowd of people down indefinetly by spamming their scream. im not sure if this is intended but it worked stupidly well, as anyone who came near was pretty much instantly knocked down by the scream. its possible for it to fuck up but only if the ling gets unlucky, really.
i think the cooldown should be raised a bit or the stun time lowered or something. its not a tactic ive really seen used but assholes abuse it sometimes.
Re: shambling abom's scream - Xeram - 08-25-2013
The point of the shambler is to became a massive horror and be able to combat crowds of mere humans. Most of the time the screech just makes people be forced to run around randomly while they laser you to death. The very point is that once a ling goes shambler he's destroyed his ability to stealth and needs to be able to devestate crowds of people.
In practice, i've found the scream kind of worthless compared to your stealth abilities, as half the time they're unaffected, 40% they run around randomly while still shooting you, and 10% they actually get knocked down. If even one person is up, since somehow people can push the enormous horror of legs and flesh around even if it weighs likely three times as much they can ruin your entire ability to kill people and take their DNA.
I'd suggest actually adjusting the %'s up a bit for a more likely stun. And giving the abom the mag boot effect for the love of god. If I can't push a fat guy out of the way i shouldn't be able to be able to push an enormous hulking genetic horror that can litterally send me flying in one punch and is nigh unstunnable.
Re: shambling abom's scream - Readster - 08-25-2013
I haven't been a changeling for a while so this is coming straight from my terrible memory, but doesn't the scream cost some dna? Even if a mostly insignificant amount? That pretty much balances out "indefinetly by spamming their scream"
If it doesn't already cost dna then maybe it should.
Also I agree with Xeram that I've usually found the scream to be worthless. Maybe if it acted more like the vampires Chiropteran Screech? I mean the vampire gets to use that thing with only a cooldown cost and gets to keep the stealth benefit. It would also benefit the changeling more since it doesn't have to breathe after it shatters the windows and sucks all the air out.
Re: shambling abom's scream - Xeram - 08-25-2013
Quote: but doesn't the scream cost some dna? Even if a mostly insignificant amount? That pretty much balances out "indefinetly by spamming their scream".
If i remember it only costs 1 point of DNA. So for each human you eat you can scream ten times. And it does have a considerable cooldown for an effect that mostly just makes people run around and be even more randomly evasive while filling you with lasers.
Maybe if it gave them a trembling hand effect too, out of fear that prevents them from picking up and holding onto things well.
Re: shambling abom's scream - babayetu83 - 08-25-2013
also you know what else is bullshit about changelings
spitting acid through masks
Re: shambling abom's scream - Marquesas - 08-26-2013
1. The scream is unreliable, it won't stun that ONE DUDE you really want it to stun.
2. You can protect yourself against screams. Go figure it out.
This thread is dumb.
Re: shambling abom's scream - Lainge - 08-26-2013
Shambling abominations aren't actually that great.
How often do they escape? Not very, usually they get swarmed and murdered at escape.
Re: shambling abom's scream - LinkDaWolf - 08-26-2013
Marquesas Wrote:1. The scream is unreliable, it won't stun that ONE DUDE you really want it to stun.
2. You can protect yourself against screams. Go figure it out.
This thread is dumb.
it seemed to have 100% knockdown in the thing i was talking about with this as nobody was able to get up.
since im wrong and its not as good as i thought (dude got lucky or s/t?) this can be locked or something i guess
Re: shambling abom's scream - atomic1fire - 08-27-2013
Why not give the scream about the same level of power as a superfart, if it doesn't already.
Enough to knock a lot of people down for a while.
Re: shambling abom's scream - Weavel - 08-27-2013
Why don't we just fix the extended stun time that everyone has pointed out
Re: shambling abom's scream - Katznelson - 08-27-2013
If you let the fucking changeling get to abomination and have enough to spam his scream you all deserve to get fucked over by it.
Its that simple.
Re: shambling abom's scream - APARTHEID - 08-27-2013
Katznelson Wrote:If you let the fucking changeling get to abomination and have enough to spam his scream you all deserve to get fucked over by it.
Its that simple.
You and me and everyone else.
If the damn thing has enough DNA points to spend, then let it spend! What the heck else is it going to do save speed regeneration when it turns to shambling?
Re: shambling abom's scream - Katznelson - 08-27-2013
This thread is about tears. Tears flowing like a waterfall over some screaming.
The concern is legitimate but I consider the the spamming as a reward for robust changeling players and a punishment for incompetent crew and security. You need to reward people for their hard work.
Re: shambling abom's scream - I-Sett - 08-27-2013
And really shamblers are pretty easily slain with just one guy with a laser, a few assistants with welders, or Master Of Shambling Destruction: Any Cyborg. Especially an Engineering borg.
Re: shambling abom's scream - Daeren - 08-27-2013
If anything shambling abominations are anemic and easily murdered for how flagrantly obvious they are, especially when stacked up against a rampaging vampire who is also invisible, can spawn minions, has several stunlock powers, etc etc nerf vampires
My Suggestions:
Scream auto-disarms everybody in range and has a small-decent chance to stun. Still incapacitates people and makes it more difficult to attack the changeling without the stupid coin-flip stun that either means the changeling has no issues or is murdered immediately. Fluff it as being so spooked that you can't stop your hands from shaking and you sometimes seize up with fear.
Axe Stun Resist and give abominations straight up stun/knockdown/shoving immunity, it's fucking dumb and allows people to still stunlock you because you still get knocked over and get up from the stun resist and then get knocked over again etc etc etc it's a DNA sink that doesn't even solve the problem it's made for.
There. Abominations are actually frightening in crowd combat again, but can still be killed by an angry mob with lasers and blunt objects so long as they're willing to accept that more than a few of them will probably die or be horribly mauled.
Feel free to criticise my probably terrible ideas
